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Pastorofmuppets
09-16-2009, 03:43 PM
the new Kicker Goblin in Zendikar allows this super-stupid and pointless combo deck to go off nice and early. It requires 7 mana and can go off relatively early. It has the advantage of being really hard to disrupt once it gets started. Remember, it's only for fun.

Staples
1 Ad Nauseam
3 Goblin Bushwhacker
1 Grapeshot

The Swarm
4 Crookshank Kobolds
3 Kobolds of Kher Keep
3 Crimson Kobolds
2 Phyrexian Walker
3 Ornithopter
3 Pact of the Titan

The rest:
4 Rite of Flame
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
1 Infernal Tutor
2 Chrome Mox
1 Mox Diamond
4 Mystical Tutor
2 Angel's Grace

Lands
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Scrubland
2 Badlands
3 Underground Sea

ScatmanX
09-19-2009, 11:18 AM
The only place that thing will ever belong is with a crap ton of Kobolds and Ad Nauseam.

Lol. Didnīt think you would really make it. =)
Iīd pack more protection, in form of Pact of negation.
You have too much kobolds and creatures. Dont need so many I guess.

yankeedave
09-19-2009, 02:34 PM
What about Glimpse of Nature to help speed up the draw?

Dave

Pastorofmuppets
09-19-2009, 02:42 PM
Lol. Didnīt think you would really make it. =)
Iīd pack more protection, in form of Pact of negation.
You have too much kobolds and creatures. Dont need so many I guess.

When you bushwhacker, assuming you've played all of your Kobolds and Pacts and such, you've got about 18 creatures on the board. if your opponent controls 4 creatures, you can't alpha for the win. I wanted to cut some stuff for some Slaughter Pacts, but I can't find the space.

GreenOne
09-19-2009, 03:39 PM
When you bushwhacker, assuming you've played all of your Kobolds and Pacts and such, you've got about 18 creatures on the board. if your opponent controls 4 creatures, you can't alpha for the win. I wanted to cut some stuff for some Slaughter Pacts, but I can't find the space.
it's 22: you also have the goblins attacking.
I'd pack some Empty the Warrens as backup wincon that has a good synergywith Bushwhacker.

Pastorofmuppets
09-19-2009, 03:58 PM
it's 22: you also have the goblins attacking.
I'd pack some Empty the Warrens as backup wincon that has a good synergywith Bushwhacker.

You don't play all 4 Bushwhackers unless you dropped Ad Nauseam with 2 Rituals. then you can Chrome Mox (or Diamond) and RoF for 2, then 3, then 4, then 5. although I'd save the last one in case your attack fails. then you already have a huge Storm count for Grapeshot. its the cheapest stormer there is. I wanted to try Brain Freeze in its spot, but ETW takes too much life if you didn't resolve Ad Nauseam under an Angelsong. In fact the Angelsong is better used if your entire turn fails a little and you have to drop it in response to owing about 20 mana to your pacts. then you can roll another Bushwhacker and swing again.

Pastorofmuppets
09-20-2009, 02:14 PM
List Edited.

Pastorofmuppets
09-24-2009, 05:36 PM
the new Kicker Goblin in Zendikar allows this super-stupid and pointless combo deck to go off nice and early. It requires 7 mana and can go off relatively early. It has the advantage of being really hard to disrupt once it gets started. Remember, it's only for fun.

Staples
1 Ad Nauseam
3 Goblin Bushwhacker
1 Grapeshot

The Swarm
4 Crookshank Kobolds
3 Kobolds of Kher Keep
4 Crimson Kobolds
1 Phyrexian Walker
1 Ornithopter
3 Pact of the Titan

The rest:
3 Rite of Flame
1 Culling the Weak
4 Dark Ritual
4 Lotus Petal
1 Chrome Mox
1 Mox Diamond
4 Mystical Tutor
2 Angel's Grace
2 Silence

Lands
4 Polluted Delta
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Scrubland
1 Badlands
3 Underground Sea

new list. Testing now.

Gocho
09-27-2009, 03:57 PM
I like it a lot! :tongue:

Perhaps a look to the old Spanish Inquisition deck (the other Kobolds Deck) would give you some ideas to test:

- Culling the Weak as I see in your last decklist.
- Diabolic intent in the place of Mystical let you to combo the same turn that you tutor for AdN and you can cut the blue. I don't know if the cc of 2 it's a problem.
- Some Pact of Negation as you can see in the Spanish version of ANT let you to protect the combo pre and post AdN.
- If you keep the blue, a single Chain of Vapor (vs Chalice of the Void at 0) would be great.

Pastorofmuppets
09-29-2009, 05:03 PM
Thoughts on Last-Ditch Effort in this deck?

Pastorofmuppets
12-22-2009, 07:31 PM
So if I sleeved this up at GP Chicago what would the world say?

Koby
12-22-2009, 07:34 PM
With regards to Goblin Bushwhacker - wouldn't he be better with Empty the Warrens? I realise it's a lot of mana, but with Rite of Flame and Culling the Weak, it's very do-able. Just a thought...

Ectoplasm
12-22-2009, 07:39 PM
So if I sleeved this up at GP Chicago what would the world say?

They'd probably ask you why you didn't play the full 4 thopters :laugh:
Then again, it could steal some games (since it's an AN combodeck after all) and be a blast to play so I'd say go for it.

kicks_422
12-22-2009, 07:44 PM
You'd at least have to do some additional tweaking and testing first. And add some sort of protection - at the very least, maybe 4 Cabal Therapies.

It'll be a blast to play though. It's always fun to play rogue decks.

andiibooo
12-22-2009, 07:56 PM
This is the best deck that I've seen in a while - I'll probably try sleeving this up sometime over the holidays.

Pastorofmuppets
12-23-2009, 08:57 AM
They'd probably ask you why you didn't play the full 4 thopters :laugh:
Then again, it could steal some games (since it's an AN combodeck after all) and be a blast to play so I'd say go for it.

Thopter doesn't pitch to Chrome Mox.

EDIT: I'm thinking, since this combo is so easily disruptable, a conversion-board is necessary. Ichorid or Reanimator?

sunshine
12-23-2009, 11:45 AM
Just out of curiousity, what's your average goldfish?

rufus
12-23-2009, 12:29 PM
When you bushwhacker, assuming you've played all of your Kobolds and Pacts and such, you've got about 18 creatures on the board. if your opponent controls 4 creatures, you can't alpha for the win. I wanted to cut some stuff for some Slaughter Pacts, but I can't find the space.

You're playing all-in combo. Fury of the Horde?:wink:

Pastorofmuppets
12-23-2009, 12:47 PM
Just out of curiousity, what's your average goldfish?

Turn 2-3.
Average loss is turn 5-6.
Longest winning game was 8 turns.
Longest losing game was 16 turns (I can chump ALL day).


You're playing all-in combo. Fury of the Horde?:wink:

Works great with AN.

rufus
12-23-2009, 02:18 PM
Yeah, I was kidding. Rites of Initiation might work (though that does make me think Anger).
I wonder if Children of Korlis would work better for you than Angel's Grace.

Pastorofmuppets
12-23-2009, 02:42 PM
you can play Angel's Graces, 1 on your opponent's turn and 1 in response to the triggers from your Pacts, to give you an extra turn of Bushwhackery Goodness.:tongue: Rites also has dissynergy with Angel's Grace, as well as your Grapeshot contingency plan.

rufus
12-30-2009, 02:35 AM
I suppose you could just do Ad Nauseam, Spark Elemental, Rites of Initiation, or Ad Nauseam/Seismic Assault, but both of those are pretty far afield.

Pastorofmuppets
01-07-2010, 09:59 PM
I suppose you could just do Ad Nauseam, Spark Elemental, Rites of Initiation, or Ad Nauseam/Seismic Assault, but both of those are pretty far afield.

Don't try to improve perfection.

Pastorofmuppets
02-08-2010, 08:54 PM
Q: So, what does Worldwake offer to the Egyptian God Card of decks?
A: Death's Shadow, a possible (though not probable) ternary win-con.

Grumpollion
03-31-2010, 03:02 AM
If I were to build something like this deck, I'd probably load it with phyrexian marauders, shifting walls, disciples of the vault, and maybe deathgreeters.

I'd probably throw some genesis chambers in there too.

Pastorofmuppets
06-12-2010, 09:51 PM
Do we have possible Epic Ichorid Hate in the form of Suffer the Past? Does Caravan Escort give ANKH a surprise dude to beat with after your opponent overextends to stop the combo? Could you overextend for a Shared Discovery?
Answers: Maybe reanimator and Lands, probably not Ichorid, No, Yes
EDIT: haha, Pennon Blade

Pastorofmuppets
07-11-2010, 06:20 AM
How will this deck function without Mystical Tutor?

Gocho
07-11-2010, 06:40 AM
You can cut blue and try Diabolic Intent, as I said months ago.
It's slower and you can lose to a single Spell Snare, but gives you an easy alternative.

AlterEgo
07-11-2010, 07:35 AM
I present you my take on "Kobold Aggro"

Cantrip:
4 Brainstorm
4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Urza's Bauble
4 Elvish Visionary

"Kobolds":
4 Crimson Kobolds
4 Crookshank Kobolds
4 Dryad Arbor
4 Kobolds of Kher Keep
4 Ornithopter
4 Phyrexian Walker

Mana:
3 Evolving Wilds (4 Misty Rainforest, if I had)
3 Forest (4 Tropical Island, if I had)
3 Island
4 Lotus Petal
3 Terramorphic Expanse

WinCon:
4 Beastmaster Ascension

The plan is quite simple:
- find Beastmaster Ascension
- play 7+ Kobolds
- cast Ascension
- attack
- shout "KOBOLD AGGRO!"
That's fun.

I'm going to include Bushwhackers in my next try...

Gocho
07-12-2010, 05:07 AM
Your deck isn't ANKH, so you must use your own thread, but if you want improve it a little more, I'll add Enlightment Tutor to find Ascension, and better cantrips, like Ponder or Preordain. You need Beastmaster to win. If you add ET, can try a single Concordant Crossroad, to win in the same turn you play the Kobolds.

And perhaps Whirlpool Rider would be better than Elvish Visionary. You cast all your kobolds + Beastmaster, cast Rider and find more kobolds to attack. If you can't find Beastmaster, you can cast Rider to find it. It would worth the testing.

You play 0 defense, so one single Grip or Counterspell would crush your deck but it's fun :)

Pastorofmuppets
07-12-2010, 12:29 PM
Don't you love when people read thread titles and not threads?
That deck is DEFINITELY not ANKH. The entire point of the deck is that even if you do lose, there's another win waiting in the wings. And you'll always have it because you want to draw your entire deck.

Pastorofmuppets
10-05-2010, 07:24 PM
I think Memnite might make the cut in here, I just don't know where. And it looks like I'll have to run DI.
Time for some deck teching. This may actually be what my entry to the SCG article contest will be on, even though I want to focus more on Variant formats.
HOLYFUCKINGSHIT guys, there are now 16 0-drop artifact creatures. Brb, making history.

perm
10-05-2010, 08:11 PM
Last-ditch effort gives you some raymundo reach, i'd consider testing it if i were you, though goblin war-strike is functionally better unless instant speed matters.

Jeff Kruchkow
10-05-2010, 08:12 PM
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
4 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
2 [AN] City of Brass
4 [MR] Glimmervoid

// Creatures
4 [5E] Ornithopter
4 [VI] Phyrexian Walker
4 [SOM] Memnite
2 [AL] Shield Sphere

// Spells
4 [CHK] Glimpse of Nature
2 [ALA] Ad Nauseam
4 [CS] Rite of Flame
4 [IA] Dark Ritual
4 [EX] Culling the Weak
4 [V09] Lotus Petal
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [PS] Diabolic Intent
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
2 [SC] Tendrils of Agony

Not quite ANKH since I think the bushwhacker win is pretty bad. But this thing is faster than hell and being 5c means we can just board like 10 cards for blue.

Pastorofmuppets
10-06-2010, 02:47 AM
// Lands
1 [R] Underground Sea
1 [B] Scrubland
4 [JGC] Gemstone Mine
1 [B] Badlands
3 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs

// Creatures
3 [MR] Disciple of the Vault
4 [M11] Ornithopter
4 [SOM] Memnite
4 [AL] Shield Sphere
4 [VI] Phyrexian Walker

// Spells
2 [JU] Burning Wish
4 [EX] Culling the Weak
4 [MI] Lion's Eye Diamond
3 [DIS] Infernal Tutor
2 [ROE] Shared Discovery
1 [UL] Last-Ditch Effort
3 [FUT] Pact of Negation
3 [TSP] Angel's Grace
4 [V09] Lotus Petal
4 [DDC] Dark Ritual
1 [ALA] Ad Nauseam

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [TSP] Angel's Grace
SB: 1 [PS] Hull Breach
SB: 1 [SH] Mob Justice
SB: 1 [TSP] Grapeshot
SB: 1 [ON] Chain of Vapor
SB: 4 [M10] Silence
SB: 3 [FNM] Cabal Therapy
SB: 1 [ROE] Flame Slash
SB: 1 [SC] Tendrils of Agony
SB: 1 [PS] Diabolic Intent

Did you just say bushquacker was bad? Because I cut him when I made this list, focusing more on artifacts.
There's a card that costs 2U and makes a player sacrifice a permanent for every creature unless they pay 1, which could get pretty gruesome with Disciple.
But Shared Discovery is incredibad. I need to replace it, probably with 2 more Burning Wish, or 2 Rite of Flame.
Also, Glimmervoid seems like one of those "high risk, high return" cards, and this deck is already pretty chock full of those. The Wishboard seems pretty odd, but it's doing quite well.
I'll be cutting Diabolic Intent, too, probably for the 4th therapy. Hull Breach and Mob Justice are currently my two most common wish targets.
Although, this is pretty far from ANKH. I'm thinking maybe "Pole Vault" for the deck's name. Although i really don't give a fuck. Nothing will be as cool as ANKH before those rat-bastards banned MT.