[EDH] Karn you play EDH? Y/N (MTGS/French Banlist)

[GGoober]

It's been awhile since I posted on the forums. I took a 0.5 year break from MTG and now I'm back. I still dislike the official EDH committee/banlist etc so I revisited MTGS' EDH community, found the French/MTGS 1v1 banned list and gave it a nod over the 'official' rules/banlist.

Since Metalworker has been fairly unbanned in the MTGS banned list, I figured I work on an artifact deck immediately. People who know me would remember my Arcum Dagson Primer on MTGS. I have since left the deck as I continue to sink into depression as I witness the deck becoming more diluted in power (Tolarian Academy being banned). In all honesty, I fully believe that Academy should be included in any banlist since it is the focus strategy of many decks that seek to abuse mana easily. Giving that a future thought, I decided to just work on a list that has little risk of being unmolested by future banlists, and at the same time is fun to play competitively and casually, both 1v1 or in multiplayer games.

And thus began my journey for the artifact EDH deck, and as I shifted across the plane of Mirrodin, a silver golem scarred amongst the Scorched Ruins appeared before me.

So I said to Karn, "Karn you play EDH?"
and he replied, "Can you play EDH?"

Karn you play EDH? Y/N
General: 1
1 Karn Silver Golem [c,g]

Accelerants: 14
1 Voltaic Key
1 Candlelabra of Tawnos
1 Mana Vault
1 Grim Monolith
1 Basalt Monolith
1 Cloud Key
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Metalworker [c]
1 Voltaic Construct [c,g]
1 Semblance Anvil
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Ur-Golem's Eye [g]
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Blinkmoth Urn

Beaters: 9
1 Phyrexian Processor
1 Myr Incubator

1 Precursor Golem [c,g]
1 Altar Golem [c,g]
1 Platinum Emperion [c,g]
1 Darksteel Colossus[c,g]

1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth [c]
1 Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre [c]
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn [c]

Removal/Defense: 10
1 Forcefield
1 Oblivion Stone
1 Nevinryal's Disk
1 Helm of Possession
1 Erratic Portal
1 Predator, Flagship
1 Duplicant [c]
1 Contagion Engine
1 All is Dust
1 Darksteel Forge

Card-Advantage/Tutors: 19
1 Skullclamp
1 Temporal Aperture
1 Expedition Map
1 Myr Retriever [c]
1 Nim Deathmantle
1 Mimic Vat
1 Crystal Ball
1 Sculpting Steel
1 Phyrexian Portal
1 Magistrate's Scepter
1 Prototype Portal
1 Arcbound Reclaimer [c,g]
1 Tower of Fortunes
1 Vedalken Orrery
1 Bottled Cloister
1 Grafted Skullcap
1 Memory Jar
1 Kuldotha Forgemaster
1 Planar Portal Lock-cards: 9
1 Liquimetal Coating
1 Winter Orb
1 Sphere of Resistance
1 Uba Mask
1 Lodestone Golem [c,g]
1 Smokestack
1 Possessed Portal
1 Ward of Bones
1 Mycosynth Lattice



Mana-Lands: 9
1 Mishra's Workshop
1 Scorched Ruins
1 Lotus Vale
1 Ancient Tomb
1 City of Traitors
1 Crystal Vine
1 Urza's Powerplant
1 Urza's Mine
1 Urza's Tower

Man-Lands: 6
1 Blinkmoth Nexus
1 Mutavault
1 Dread Statuary [g]
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Gaygoyle Castle
1 Urza's Factory

LD-Lands: 7
1 Wasteland
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Stripmine
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Dust Bowl
1 Rishadan Port

Other-Lands: 16
1 Tabernacle at Pendrel's Vale
1 Maze of Ith
1 Gemstone Cavern
1 Eldrazi Temple
1 Mystifying Maze
1 Springjack Pasture
1 Darksteel Citadel
1 Vesuva
1 Miren, the Moaning Well
1 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
1 Deserted Temple
1 Petrified Field
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Blasted Landscape
1 Winding Canyons
1 Quicksand


- [c] are creature cards
- [g] cards are golem-themed



- Note this is a tier 1.5 Karn deck since it is built with both 1v1, multiplayer and casual considerations. But it can be tweaked to be tier 1 (take out a few cute golem-themed cards)

- Goals I want to achieve in this deck:
1) Prototype Portal/Mimic Vat: Sphere of Resistance/Lodestone Golem with Voltaic Key in play
2) Possessed Portal locking the game, and hopefully I have a temporal aperture out
3) Casting Emrakul off Temporal Aperture on turn 3
4) Grim Monolith/Basalt Monolith/Mana Vault + Voltaic Construct + Karn + Voltaic Construct = infinite mana, toss in Planar Portal + Karn and infinite mana = tutor your whole deck or with Magistrate's Scepter + Karn = take infinite turns.
5) 'Fact or Fiction' multiple times with Phyrexian Portal
6) Myr Incubator -> 50+ Myrs and cast Altar Golem or clamp them all!
7) Winter Orb + Tabernacle
8) Erratic Portal Emrakul/Kozilek every 1-2 turn, lol lol.
9) Ward of Bones casted off Scorched Ruins/Lotus Vale/Mishra's Workshop locking game at 2-3 lands.
10) Helm of Possession + Miren
11) Assembling the URZATRON!
12) Need to put up more achievements...

- Deck description and card choices will be added later.

[Offler]

Usually i have seen decks with so much colors as possible in EDH. Building a monocolor deck is not so usual but colorless EDH. I think i will spent many hours reading your decklist.

to your question: currenty i cannot play Karn as a General, however after eldrazi and with current colorless manafix could be fun.

[Atwa]

I'm nercoing this thread, since I've taken interest in Karn lately. People at my local store are planning an EDH league starting later this month, and unfortunatly, all my earlier generals have either been already taken or been banned.

Now I threw this list together yesterday night, so some of the choises will be a but fuzzy, but does anyone want to take a look to see if I missed something?

General: Karn, Silver Golem

Lands:
Scorched Ruins
Gods' Eye, Gate to the Rerkai
Cloudpost
Glimmerpost
Mystifying Maze
Urza's Mine
Urza's Powerplant
Urza's Tower
Blinkmoth Nexus
City of Traitors
Dust Bowl
Mutavault
Eldrazi Temple
Quicksand
Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
Ghost Quarter
Crystal Vein
Ancient Tomb
Petrified Field
Darksteel Citadel
Blasted Landscape
Desert
Vesuva
Dread Statuary
Temple of the False God
Mishra's Factory
Strip Mine
Ghost Town
Tectonic Edge
Gargoyle Castle
Rishadan Port
Tower of the Magistrate
Stalking Stones
Deserted Temple
Wasteland
Urza's Factory
Eye of Ugin
Maze of Ith
the Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
39 total, of which 3 cannot be tapped for mana. No Workshop in this list, since I don't own any and am not willing to shell out 250 for a card I will only play in casual.

Creatures:
Arcbound Ravager
Masticore
Lodestone Golem
Platinum Angel
Duplicant
Steel Hellkite
Triskelion
Wurmcoil Engine
Phyrexian Juggernaut
Darksteel Colossus
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Mycosynth Golem
Ulemog, the Infinite Gyre
13 total. I'm still thinking about taking the Angel out in favor of a Platinum Emperion. I might even end up playing both it I manage to find room.

Other mana sources:
Sol Ring
Mana Vault
Mana Crypt
Everflowing Chalice
Mox Diamond
Mind Stone
Grim Monolith
Doubling Cube
Coalition Relic
Worn Powerstone
Darksteel Ingot
Thran Dynamo
Gilded Lotus
Dreamstone Hedron
14 non land mana sources. Maybe a little too much?

Removal/Diruption:
Tormod's Crypt
Powder Keg
Defense Grid
Winter Orb
Contagion Clasp
Ratchet Bomb
Arena of the Ancients
Trinisphere
Smokestack
Icy Manipulator
Nevinyrral's Disk
Predator, Flagship
Mishra's Helix
Contagion Engine
All is Dust
Maybe a little light. I'm thinking about taking a mana source out for a Brittle Effigy.

Other Utiliy:
Chimeric Mass
Candelabra of Tawnos
Sensei's Divining Top
Voltaic Key
Expedition Map
Candles of Leng
Crucible of Worlds
Crystal Ball
Uba Mask
Phyrexian Processor
Bottled Cloister
That Which was Taken
Memory Jar
Possessed Portal
Darksteel Forge
Mycosynth Lattice
Eternity Vessel
Planar Portal
These seem like 90% the standard in Karn decks. Mass is actually decent with the amounts of mana this deck can generate pretty fast.

Sideboard: (15 card sideboards are allowed, matches will be best of 3, 1-on-1)
Etched Champion
Null Brooch
Maze of Shadows
Pithing Needle
Phyrexian Revoker
Molten-Tail Masticore
Relic of Progenitus
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of Body and Mind
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sheltered Valley (open slot)
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

I'd really like to get some advise to see if I totally forgot something with this list. Proliferate seems decent in this deck, so I saw no reason not to include the best 2 proliferate artifacts.

Also some options on what good sideboard cards would be great. I started pulling cards out of my binders yesterday, but to be honest, my head can't come up with any good options anymore.

[Aggro_zombies]

Any reason not to run Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth? It certainly seems better than something like Desert.

[GGoober]

Have not worked on this list for ages (quit EDH since my playgroup and I have fundamental philosophical differences in viewing the banning 'principles' of EDH, i.e. as a result 6/100 cards in my deck is banned in my playgroup so I decided to fuck it).

Arcbound Ravager is interesting. Is he purely for saccing purposes? I have a crimped Traditional Chinese Masticore so I can put that to good use again :P I ran my list with a Golem theme so the new Titan Forge thingy in the new set that makes 9/9 golems with 3 charge counters (:3: to charge up a counter) is fun. I play the Platinum Emperion over the Angel because of flavor :P But it's also nice that life total doesn't change i.e. you can take damage freely without worrying they bounce the angel.

There is never too much mana sources. Karn basically functions if you accelerate him out, and any mana generator is welcome in the deck since the goal is accelerate, play bombs, or swing with your accelerants.

Is there a reason you don't play Oblivion Stone? I find Powder Keg/Bomb to be too slow in EDH. If you run Bottled cloister, Grafted Skullcap is great as well. I'll have to update this deck when I have time. It was always fun to play, and alittle silly at times :P

[bokwinkle]

Ok, so here's my take.

I'd run 28-30 land (mana producing) and 10-15 mana producing artifacts.

I'd run Lux Cannon and the new 11/11 guy with infect and probably a few more creatures - I wouldn't hesitate to maindeck revoker either - turning off survival just seems like a good plan.

[Xiang]

11/11 infect and kuldotha forgemaster would be good I guess...