Altered Art, Playmats, Etc.

[Ebinsugewa]

Since we have a multitude of foil card threads, how about starting one for the pimp I actually like the most. Altered art. Either by the artist or someone in the community, post any you have, or your favorites from someone else.

I'll start off:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/552457325/2556680840086718795hTzGbt
A really cool Tangle Wire done by Vroman. I like history, especially WWI, so this is my favorite.

As for cards I actually own: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v426/likearecordoraturtle/scan.jpg
A pretty sweet Tog I picked up at a pre-release not too long ago. My favorite one.

[CynicalSquirrel]

I have a Tradewind Rider that's been signed by the artist, and has a pitchfork and devil horns doodled on it.

I don't really know how to show a picture though.

[Moby Dick]

I love that tog, where did you get it (I thought I saw Aaron (the one who hangs out with josh and jason) with it a while ago).

As for altered cards i like, at the cold snap prerelease I was playing with this guy who had underground sea's altered by rob alexander. One of the sea's had a dragon in the water, and the other one had smeagol in the back ground.

I don't own alot of altered card, but the ones i do have are pretty awsome:
here's a playset of owls signed by Ebinsugewa (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/icantthinkofausername/Untitled-2.jpg)

[Ebinsugewa]

I love that tog, where did you get it (I thought I saw Aaron (the one who hangs out with josh and jason) with it a while ago).

As for altered cards i like, at the cold snap prerelease I was playing with this guy who had underground sea's altered by rob alexander. One of the sea's had a dragon in the water, and the other one had smeagol in the back ground.

I don't own alot of altered card, but the ones i do have are pretty awsome:
here's a playset of owls signed by Ebinsugewa (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/icantthinkofausername/Untitled-2.jpg)

I forgot I signed those, good call. Maybe I can get Chris to post his Flow of Ideas.

Story behind the Mickey Mouse Owl: Joe played against Chris with Owl and Chris had some bad deck. Joe started the game with a mulligan to zero, and let Chris go first. And Chris still lost because he was playing a balls-slow control deck and Owl is some good against him.

I got the Tog from Jeff at the Guildpact pre-release. I'll have to talk to him about the backstory on it, because I don't remember if he told me anything about it.

PS - Any ideas on what I should draw on my playmat? I'd like to make it look pretty sweet. It's set up just like the top 8 playmats from GP Madison and all the other ones, like with a red zone and a deck zone and an RFG zone and stuff. What would look sweet?

[Moby Dick]

First you should clean it, its sticky.

[Di]

I used to to do card altering a couple years back. A lot of people in Syracuse have (unless they traded them away) cards that have been altered by me. I wish I could get pics of them up but I don't know who owns them anymore. The only ones I have now are Flowstone Hellion, StP, Compost, and CoP: Red. They were all mad cool though, some crazy shit like:

Land Tax - I had a set of these done with the guy smoking a bowl and he looked completely high out of his mind. Good stuff.

Sands of Time - The guy is now smoking out of a bong instead of looking at an hourglass. He too, is high.

Swords to Plowshares - The farmer is now Jesus holding a cross. The sky is blood red too. These ones I think everyone knows and have seen.

Portal Plains - These are the plains that had the sorta Arabian-type city in it. But that city became Baghdad and there were missles and mad shit goin on.

Compost - 7th Edition Compost, the entire background is turned into hell, and there are flames and shit. The old man is turned into the Grim Reaper and has a big ass sickle.

Those are amongst my favorites but some others were Quirion Ranger, Seedborn Muse, Squee, Rofellos, maybe some other ATS cards. But yeah, if anyone in Syracuse(or anyone else) might come across them, pick them up for me wouldya? They have my signiture on it "Caulyn" where the expansion symbol is.

[Ebinsugewa]

First you should clean it, its sticky.

It's only cause it's vinyl and it's got crap on it from gross TE tables.

@ Di: I'd actually like to pick some of those up for my Survival deck. That would have been leet if I could make it to the DLD II. :(

[Afro]

These are dazes that I had done by matt wilson. The darth vader one sold on ebay. But I still have these 3 left. If anyone is interested in buying them perhaps I could bring them to the Kadis tourney. Also shown are some of the other altered cards I sold.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170005448468&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEUS%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170005448421&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEUS%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170005448312&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEUS%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170005448690&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170005448746&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170005448245&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170005448966&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1

My favorite is either the Lin Sivvi Xena or the TMNT Sandbar Merfolk.

[Peter_Rotten]

Who in Cuse has the best Animate Deads? You know which ones I'm talking about! The ones with pics of Michael Jackson being animated instead of the skeleton.

[Kryand]

I did this in the hotel room the night before an out-of-town tournament (instead of playtesting... it's my ritual to not playtest a single game immediately prior to a tournament... it makes me feel better...).
http://www.themellin.com/images/elders.jpg

If I were rich, I'd modify my foil Rofellos to have a rainbow and gay pride parade in the background.

[Rastadon]

I was just looking through the gallery Ebinsugewa put up when I came across this.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/552457325/2559393830086718795WOyact

Sheer genius.

I've been itchin to make an Eye of Sauron Trinisphere, but I'm a horrible artist.

Oh, and you can't forget the (C)Uba mask.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/552457325/2045031270086718795qfjwqW

[dre4m]

That Welder looks like something Roland Chang would play. I really want to get a Star Wars themed Stax deck, but I wouldn't know what to turn the Lotus into.

[Rastadon]

Oooh! And Crucible of Worlds could be the Death Star destroying Alderaan!

[dre4m]

Oooh! And Crucible of Worlds could be the Death Star destroying Alderaan!

Been there, done that.
Check out Roland's collection picture (can't remember where it is exactly, sorry.)

[Moby Dick]

I found this page, and all I have to say is those dark rituals are fucking awsome.
http://www.kenmeyerjr.com/magic/magic_altered.htm

EDIT: i jut found this very funny
http://community.webshots.com/photo/548163725/2525875210086718795sgjLDI

[J.Dangerously]

Rastadon and dre4ms,

I got the welders for that stax deck. Done by the man himself. Hopefully, my next set will have the art altered!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67709231@N00/?saved=1

[Nightmare]

I'll post some pictures when I get a chance. I've modded a lot of stuff, and my playmat has some work done on it.

[Angel of Despair]

We colored the eyes on Daze red, with a sharpie, maybe bane can figure out how to put a picture on here.

[dontbiteitholmes]

WTF?
http://community.webshots.com/photo/552457325/2452605340086718795teyNoJ

[Moby Dick]

WTF?
http://community.webshots.com/photo/552457325/2452605340086718795teyNoJ
http://community.webshots.com/photo/548164283/2337216230086718795CbydrL

That is better than the booby chalice.

[Ebinsugewa]

http://community.webshots.com/photo/548164283/2337216230086718795CbydrL

That is better than the booby chalice.

Apparently, Vroman is famous for boob jobs. They're one of his most frequently requested mods.

[Nightmare]

http://thumb17.webshots.com/t/53/753/7/48/13/2367748130094764637wISQfX_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2367748130094764637wISQfX)

[Ebinsugewa]

Nice, that miscut Portent is pretty sweet too!

[Nightmare]

Bumped because I did more stuff.

Here are some mods I posted on Salvation:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=885991&postcount=18
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=885998&postcount=19
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=886002&postcount=20

And here's the newest artwork on my playmat (this one done by me). COVERED IN BEES! (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/552585852/2597460580094764637hzVDqR)

[MasterBlaster]

I love those Pyroclasms.

Do you just use markers when you customize cards?
Do you have problems with them smearing?

[scrumdogg]

Pulse of the Whos...that is awesome.

[Nightmare]

I love those Pyroclasms.

Do you just use markers when you customize cards?
Do you have problems with them smearing?I used to use these BIC markers, and they never smeared at all. Now I use a combination of Sharpies, Paint Pens, and this weird white marker I found that lets me do stuff like the Xantid. The only time I had problems with smearing was when I used a Gold ink jel pen on DampingEngine's Burning of Xinges, and I had to spray it with hair spray to get it to stay. That made the markers run, but they still look hot. I didn't scan them before I gave them to him, mabe I can get them and scan them.

[Caboose]

Here is the 3sphere Roland Chang made for me when I bought his Legacy Champs prize.

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i54/Sneepur/3sphere/?action=view&current=OSUSphere.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1

[Anarky87]

For those that alter the art on cards, exactly how do you get the original picture off? Do you erase it? I've been trying that, but it always seems to not be working too well or I end up horribly marking/ruining the card. Any tips?

[Fortifitakitors]

Anarky87 said,

For those that alter the art on cards, exactly how do you get the original picture off? Do you erase it? I've been trying that, but it always seems to not be working too well or I end up horribly marking/ruining the card. Any tips?


I have heard you literally use an eraser which after a while will leave the erased part white.

[Lanfeng]

http://community.webshots.com/photo/548164283/2337216230086718795CbydrL

That is better than the booby chalice.

JUDGE!

anyways the dark rits aren't all that great since for some of them it just doesn't have any element of the dark ritual in them at all, might as well put them on any other card

also an eraser works or you can just set the canvas with white i guess

[Nightmare]

I use Acetone on a Q-tip to remove my ink.

[SillyMetalGAT]

Pulse of the Whos...that is awesome.

I own that. I won that at the D4D. Then Bane won the IBA Helldozer.... we need a playset of those.

[freakish777]

I've been toying around with altering some Juggernauts for friends (and put one of them on eBay just to see if anyone would bid).

The best one so far is:


http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Juggernaut2.jpg


Obviously my artistic skills are lacking, but I'm having fun at the very least.

[JeremM]

I'm looking into replacing the art on some cards by pasting other pictures over the art. Is there any certain types of paste I should use, or methods to keep the card kosher in the eyes of the DCI (weight and whatnot)?

[scrumdogg]

Weight and thickness are both issues you need to be careful about. Getting DQ'ed & then Elgin'd for Marked Cards would suck.

[NoGameShow]

Elgin'd




I think you may have just coined a term.

[Togit460]

sorry to sound noobish, but i've never gotten a clear answer on this. Can you play with modified cards? if so to what extent?

[NoGameShow]

sorry to sound noobish, but i've never gotten a clear answer on this. Can you play with modified cards? if so to what extent?



I think as long as the casting cost, name of the spell, and text box is visible it's okay. But I'm not an authority mabye Nightmare or someone can fill in the blanks.

[freakish777]

Always run it by the TO/Judge first.

Usually you're fine so long as they aren't a jack ass.

In some cases (I seem to remember PR being told not to play with a Kird Ape at Kadilak's first DLD) they'll tell you that because the text box, name, casting cost, power&toughness, or something else is obstructed that they can't let you play it (which I think is kinda dumb on everything but the casting cost, as you can play foreign cards that may as well have their name and text box covered).

[SillyMetalGAT]

In some cases (I seem to remember PR being told not to play with a Kird Ape at Kadilak's first DLD) they'll tell you that because the text box, name, casting cost, power&toughness, or something else is obstructed that they can't let you play it (which I think is kinda dumb on everything but the casting cost, as you can play foreign cards that may as well have their name and text box covered).

Thats not dumb because you can still tell what a card is by its picture if its foriegn. How can you tell what a card is if you cant see the picture and cant read the name or the text box?

[freakish777]

Are you seriously going to be able to tell me what the text for this image should read?

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Card1649.jpg


In any event, I should probably say what I mean a little more clearly.

So long as a certain threshold of players and judges recognize what the card is supposed to be (hopefully a high number, but doesn't necessarily have to be), and there is little to no dispute (less flexible on this, it needs to be really low, so people don't get upset, and don't feel that they could be getting cheated) over what the card actually is, then the card should be fine.

In the case I mentioned where PR was told not to play a Kird Ape, if I had been the judge I probably would have allowed the card. Another suitable option I think was present (as I'm sure it was clear that the judge knew they were Kird Apes) was to have made the following announcement:

"Some players are playing with modded cards, if you're playing with modded cards, please come see me (so I can verify that the card in question is in fact authentic and I can tell what it's supposed to be). If anyone has a problem with this (due to the possible authenticity of a card coming into question) speak up now. If your opponent plays a card that you don't know what it's supposed to be/do in your match, just yell judge and I will give you the oracle text for what the card does (similar to if it were a foreign Chains of Mephistopheles or some such)."

Sure, there's going to be some point at which a card is no longer recognizable (and part of this has to do with how well known the card is), but I mean if the textbox and name on your Kird Ape are completely covered and the art now depicts say a birthday hat on the Ape's head and stuff in the background, I'm pretty sure 80% or more of players at any given Legacy event would be able to say, oh hey that's a 1/1 Red Ape for R and if there's a forest in play it gets +1/+2, and it's name is Kird Ape (in case I want to board in my Meddling Mages).

The main points here are recognizability, trust in the judges, and authenticity. If you can't recognize the card as a player, but you trust the judge when they say they recognize it and/or believe/know its authentic, there's no problem. If you don't trust the judge, then there's either a problem on your end (because you probably shouldn't play in tournaments then if you can't trust authority) or on the judge's end (for running shady events that show favoritism to their friends???). Chances are it's on your end though.

[Parcher]

Ultimately, altered art falls under the judge's discretion. The rules state that the card name, mana cost, and rules text must be unaltered. That is definite, and without question. This is the main way they determine a card's legitimacy without a Bend or Light test

They state that the art must be "recognizable as the appropriate card". This is highly subjective, as the judge is allowed to make this ruling on opinion. This is why writing on a card is almost always allowed. It doesn't alter the picture. Someone erasing the picture to draw in something new is technically illegal. Though rarely called if the text remains, and the judge is not an ass.

Even if deemed illegal, the judge must allow a replacement. Either for an unaltered copy of the card, or if they are lenient and a copy is not available, for a suitable proxy. It's the same thing they do if during a deck check they find a card is worn enough to be considered marked for tournament play.

[Lukas Preuss]

Are you seriously going to be able to tell me what the text for this image should read?

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Card1649.jpg



Actually, isn't that the BR Legends dude (what's his name? Boris Something?) that puts Demon tokens into play? :D

Edit: Yeah, it's Boris Devilboon. Not bad, I had to look it up, though. But I see your point... especially in the Eternal Formats there are so many cards that no one has ever played with. You can't realistically expect someone to recognise every card by it's picture.

[Nightmare]

I've heard many different rules interpretations on this matter, and the most concise one I've seen is that it's Judge's Discretion. Some judges allow you to play heavily modded cards, some do not. I do know, however, that the card art is supposed to remain recgnizeable (In sanctioned events), with the exception of artist alterations and signatures. So for instance, the Uno Infernal Contracts in the first link I posted on the last page are not legal in sanctioned tournament play. On the other hand, since it is still able to be recognized, the Pulse of the Whos is legal.

As for illegal card replacements during tournament play, if you cannot replace the illegal card in kind, you are not going to be allowed to proxy. You will be forced to replace it with a randomly chosen basic land. This is the same as if you played a non-legal card in an extended tournament. At higher RELs, you may be DQ'd.

[Anarky87]

I do know, however, that the card art is supposed to remain recgnizeable (In sanctioned events), with the exception of artist alterations and signatures. So for instance, the Uno Infernal Contracts in the first link I posted on the last page are not legal in sanctioned tournament play. On the other hand, since it is still able to be recognized, the Pulse of the Whos is legal.

So I couldn't play my Dark Rituals with the picture being two frogs having sex in sanctioned play? Even if the card name, casting cost, and card text are completely unaltered?

[Parcher]

I've heard many different rules interpretations on this matter, and the most concise one I've seen is that it's Judge's Discretion. Some judges allow you to play heavily modded cards, some do not. I do know, however, that the card art is supposed to remain recgnizeable (In sanctioned events), with the exception of artist alterations and signatures. So for instance, the Uno Infernal Contracts in the first link I posted on the last page are not legal in sanctioned tournament play. On the other hand, since it is still able to be recognized, the Pulse of the Whos is legal.

As for illegal card replacements during tournament play, if you cannot replace the illegal card in kind, you are not going to be allowed to proxy. You will be forced to replace it with a randomly chosen basic land. This is the same as if you played a non-legal card in an extended tournament. At higher RELs, you may be DQ'd.


Uh. Wow. That's very close to mirroring pretty much everything I just said. The major difference being you left out "as the appropriate card". The art must match. So having the art for a Werebear be "recognizable" on a Helldozer card will still be illegal.

[Nightmare]

So I couldn't play my Dark Rituals with the picture being two frogs having sex in sanctioned play? Even if the card name, casting cost, and card text are completely unaltered?No. You couldn't.


Uh. Wow. That's very close to mirroring pretty much everything I just said. The major difference being you left out "as the appropriate card". The art must match. So having the art for a Werebear be "recognizable" on a Helldozer card will still be illegal.I know it's basically the same, but someone asked for my opinion specifically, so I chimed in. I also wanted to point out that you were wrong about the proxy thing. You'd never be allowed to proxy a card in a sanctioned event.

[Parcher]

That's technically true, but I have seen it happen. Specifically during a Type 2 PTQ back in '99. John Slaughter was the only person playing Fish in the whole place. He had Beta Lords, that were beat to hell, in clear sleeves(people still used them back then).

The Top 8 ran long past when all the vendors left, and not having any replacements, or extra sleeves, the judge let him proxy them since none of us bothered to carry around Lord of Atlantis.

[freakish777]

Hm... I have to wonder how this affects Vroman's Jester's Caps where he has an Ice Age one where he put in the 9th Edition Art, and a 9th Edition one where he put in the Ice Age art...

I would have to imagine that strict enforcement of the rules would not allow them since none of the original art remains on either card...

[Nightmare]

I believe most judges would not take issue with those, since it preserves an art found on a card with the same name. For the most part, I think judges are reasonable about these issues, but as always, if you're worried check with the HJ before the tournament.


That's technically true, but I have seen it happen. Specifically during a Type 2 PTQ back in '99. John Slaughter was the only person playing Fish in the whole place. He had Beta Lords, that were beat to hell, in clear sleeves(people still used them back then).

The Top 8 ran long past when all the vendors left, and not having any replacements, or extra sleeves, the judge let him proxy them since none of us bothered to carry around Lord of Atlantis.
This is a different situation. In this situation, the cards are considered marked or whatever through actual gameplay, not through any intentional action by the player. If he had made it difficult for his opponents to recognize the card by drawing giant fish on the card face in sharpie, there's a chance the judge would have ruled differently.

[SillyMetalGAT]

Are you seriously going to be able to tell me what the text for this image should read?

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Card1649.jpg


In any event, I should probably say what I mean a little more clearly.

So long as a certain threshold of players and judges recognize what the card is supposed to be (hopefully a high number, but doesn't necessarily have to be), and there is little to no dispute (less flexible on this, it needs to be really low, so people don't get upset, and don't feel that they could be getting cheated) over what the card actually is, then the card should be fine.

In the case I mentioned where PR was told not to play a Kird Ape, if I had been the judge I probably would have allowed the card. Another suitable option I think was present (as I'm sure it was clear that the judge knew they were Kird Apes) was to have made the following announcement:

"Some players are playing with modded cards, if you're playing with modded cards, please come see me (so I can verify that the card in question is in fact authentic and I can tell what it's supposed to be). If anyone has a problem with this (due to the possible authenticity of a card coming into question) speak up now. If your opponent plays a card that you don't know what it's supposed to be/do in your match, just yell judge and I will give you the oracle text for what the card does (similar to if it were a foreign Chains of Mephistopheles or some such)."

Sure, there's going to be some point at which a card is no longer recognizable (and part of this has to do with how well known the card is), but I mean if the textbox and name on your Kird Ape are completely covered and the art now depicts say a birthday hat on the Ape's head and stuff in the background, I'm pretty sure 80% or more of players at any given Legacy event would be able to say, oh hey that's a 1/1 Red Ape for R and if there's a forest in play it gets +1/+2, and it's name is Kird Ape (in case I want to board in my Meddling Mages).

The main points here are recognizability, trust in the judges, and authenticity. If you can't recognize the card as a player, but you trust the judge when they say they recognize it and/or believe/know its authentic, there's no problem. If you don't trust the judge, then there's either a problem on your end (because you probably shouldn't play in tournaments then if you can't trust authority) or on the judge's end (for running shady events that show favoritism to their friends???). Chances are it's on your end though.

If you think, why would someone play a card in their deck and not know what it is????? You ask the kid for the card name, go to a computer and look it up on the gatherer.......... Is that really that hard? The picture will match. Thats why your not allowed to use foreign altered cards.... theres no way to decipher it unless you use the mana cost and whatnot, and sometimes those are covered. Wow think people.

[Nightmare]

Thats why your not allowed to use foreign altered cards.... theres no way to decipher it unless you use the mana cost and whatnot, and sometimes those are covered. Wow think people.There is no rule differentiating between English cards and Foreign cards. Any rule that applies to one applies to all other languages. This statement you've made is incorrect.

[Moby Dick]

I use Acetone on a Q-tip to remove my ink.

Where do you buy acetone? The closest I could find is nailpolish remover, and that shit takes half a bottle and 10 hours to remove anything (slightly exagerated)

[Nightmare]

Where do you buy acetone? The closest I could find is nailpolish remover, and that shit takes half a bottle and 10 hours to remove anything (slightly exagerated)I got mine at Home depot, i think? Anywhere they sell paint they usually sell acetone. Check hardware stores and stuff.

[freakish777]

You ask the kid for the card name, go to a computer and look it up on the gatherer..........

What tournaments do you play at???

At every tournament I've ever been at, when this issue arises, you call "JUDGE!" The judge comes over, you ask him for an oracle wording on the card, and he or she goes over to gatherer (or if they recognize the card as they may have seen the person play it before [for local tournaments] will tell you the oralce wording off the bat). Thus your trust has to be placed in the judge to tell you what the card is, which was my point.

If you can trust the judge to be fair, and you trust that they are able to determine that an altered card is in fact real and they are able to recognize it, there shouldn't be issues.

[quicksilver]

Not all tournements have like a real judge.

[freakish777]

Not all tournements have like a real judge.

Those tournaments are silly. =P

[Parcher]

Hm... I have to wonder how this affects Vroman's Jester's Caps where he has an Ice Age one where he put in the 9th Edition Art, and a 9th Edition one where he put in the Ice Age art...

I would have to imagine that strict enforcement of the rules would not allow them since none of the original art remains on either card...

Vroman has actually been called out on his alterations at one tournament that I know of. It involved his highly altered Crucibles in his UbaStax deck. He was pissed off, found replacements easily, and the match was played out without penalty.

But since no one but the judge seemed to mind, and since everyone including and especially his opponent knew what the cards were, this seems like a relative abuse of power

[Nightmare]

Vroman has actually been called out on his alterations at one tournament that I know of. It involved his highly altered Crucibles in his UbaStax deck. He was pissed off, found replacements easily, and the match was played out without penalty.

But since no one but the judge seemed to mind, and since everyone including and especilly his opponent knew what the cards were, this seems like a relative abuse of power
I agree, particulatly in a Vintage tournament, since it isnt sanctioned.

[Parcher]

Ah. Found the exerpt. I was wrong about the card, but right about the player, and situation.




After this round, a judge (Aaron with big glasses and goatee) pulled me aside and said he had a problem with my deck. I knew immediately he meant my altered cards and hated this man instantly. He sat down and hesitantly tried to explain the policy how cards are only truly identified by their art, yada, yada. I cut him off and said I didnt care, just pull out whatever cards you dont like and I'll replace them. He found 6 cards that he considered unidentifiable, and missed about 3 that were equally or more altered. Ive known this rule existed all along, and just ignored it. This is the first time in all my tournament experience anyone, player or judge, has ever complained about my altered cards. Sure its in the rules, but its pointless. If the card says Smokestack, and has smokestack's rules text, than its a fing smokestack. in protest, I took a generic smokestack, signed it, and wrote "NOT A SMOKESTACK" over the art. I was only carrying my foil binder and had a few of the extras, but had to scramble to borrow some null rods.


EDIT: I forgot. This actually happened at Worlds. So technically, it was sanctioned. Legal, but weasely actions.

[Ophidian]

What is the general consensus on artist proofs?
There's a local store that has 4 Foil Exalted's (DCI Judge Promo Art) autographed. However, they have the white back.. Obviously if i put them in sleeves, you couldn't tell, but I just don't wanna get screwed in a tournament if someone knows that I have em

[scrumdogg]

If you do this, DQ for cheating, thx for not playing. And if you take heavily altered cards to a sanctioned event, be prepared to replace them. And you don't get to bitch, the rules have been in place forever - whether or not they are consistently enforced.

[Togit460]

I get the point about art must still be recognizable, otherwise i'd make all my cards in thresh and put goblin art on them. confusing to idiots, kthxbye.

[freakish777]

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Juggernaut4.jpg

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Juggernaut3.jpg

[SillyMetalGAT]

What tournaments do you play at???

At every tournament I've ever been at, when this issue arises, you call "JUDGE!" The judge comes over, you ask him for an oracle wording on the card, and he or she goes over to gatherer (or if they recognize the card as they may have seen the person play it before [for local tournaments] will tell you the oralce wording off the bat). Thus your trust has to be placed in the judge to tell you what the card is, which was my point.

If you can trust the judge to be fair, and you trust that they are able to determine that an altered card is in fact real and they are able to recognize it, there shouldn't be issues.

I was talking from a judges point of view. I should have made that clear from the beginning.

[freakish777]

I was talking from a judges point of view. I should have made that clear from the beginning.

Ok, my bad. I was saying from a player's perspective that didn't know/recognize the card.

[Angel of Despair]

Oh my Goddess! I have the sexiest Armageddon's. I got them signed and altered by Rob Alexander at the prerelease! I don't know how to put a picture up, but when I figure it out I will put it up.

AoD

[Ebinsugewa]

Oh my Goddess! I have the sexiest Armageddon's. I got them signed and altered by Rob Alexander at the prerelease! I don't know how to put a picture up, but when I figure it out I will put it up.

AoD

He drew a Godless Shrine in two colors on my playmat, scans coming soon.

[freakish777]

Oh my Goddess! I have the sexiest Armageddon's. I got them signed and altered by Rob Alexander at the prerelease! I don't know how to put a picture up, but when I figure it out I will put it up.

AoD


www.photobucket.com ?

[freakish777]

Hypnotic Ritual (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Altered%20Art/HypnoticRitual.jpg)

Grim Tutor Proxy (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Altered%20Art/GrimTutorfullcardproxy.jpg)

Again, I know my work isn't great, just thought I'd post it since I'm having fun doing it.

[Lanfeng]

how do you do URL links in words when its like this and blue and you can click it?

anyways theres the pretty princess I did on a foil transguild couriers

I'll try the stuff on photobucket

is that too big?

Yes.
~ Nightmare

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/Lan2_13/Transguildcouriorpretty.jpg
.
see what works

[kabal]

A Vroman original owned by me.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6080/scan0001qb1.jpg

[Jaynel]

Is that supposed to be Smmenen?

[kabal]

Is that supposed to be Smmenen?

ummm, no it is The Emperor (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine) from Star Wars

[Jaynel]

I was being sarcastic; it's his avatar on TMD, and a deck isn't Meandeck without Brainstorms.

[freakish777]

how do you do URL links in words when its like this and blue and you can click it?



Uhm...

Look at {url=http://www.yourdomainnamethatyourartison.com/thisistheart.jpg}this!{url}

Replace { with [ and } with ] on the above line.

[xsockmonkeyx]

Uhm...

Look at {url=http://www.yourdomainnamethatyourartison.com/thisistheart.jpg}this!{url}

Replace { with [ and } with ] on the above line.


Ill expand on that a little. First copy the URL to your link. Then click the little button with the Earth and the little chains on it. You will be prompted with an enter URL command. Paste your url here and click OK. When you come back to the reply screen your URL will be highlighted(similar to what freakish wrote only the URL will be doubled). Delete this URL(the 2nd one) and replace it with the keyword for the link (the blue word) OR start typing over the highlighted URL with your linked word. Ouila!!

[Rastadon]

Here's an idea: Knight of Stromgald, right? How about a Knight of Strong Bad? Or a Kokusho with a big beefy arm comin' out of the back of his neck.

[TeenieBopper]

Hypnotic Ritual (http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m236/freakish777/Altered%20Art/HypnoticRitual.jpg)



That's actually pretty cool/funny. I giggled.

[SillyMetalGAT]

Here's an idea: Knight of Stromgald, right? How about a Knight of Strong Bad? Or a Kokusho with a big beefy arm comin' out of the back of his neck.

TROGDOR!!!!!

[freakish777]

That's actually pretty cool/funny. I giggled.

Thanks, I've been meaning to do some more Dark Ritual and Tutor alterations with the cards that people play with Rituals or grab with Tutors. Out of curiosity, if you were looking to buy the Hypnotic Ritual, how much would you pay (I've been thinking about making some more altered cards, and listing them as for sale, I just want to make sure I'm not asking for too much)?