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adrieng
09-12-2006, 11:29 AM
I am now testing a draco explosion deck which works pretty well
but i ld like advise to improve it
so first the list

manabase
4 wooded foothils
3 windswepth heath
4 taiga
2 plateau
8 mountain
1 forest
2 boseiju

creatures (control)
3 wall of blossoms
2 isao
2 loaming shaman
1 flametongue kavu

board sweeper(extra damage)
3 flamebreak
3 eathquake
1 engineered explosive
4 lightning bolt

combo
1 draco
1 scroll rack
4 burning wish
4 enlightned tutor
4 worldly tutor

side
1 flamebreak
1 erratic explosion
1 sylvan tutor
1 pyroclasme
1 shattering spree
1 hull breach
1 seal of cleansing
1 tormod's crypt
1 pithing needle
4 red elemental blast
1 boseiju
1 chain lightning

how the deck works
the goal is to first control opponents creatures vs aggro
with wall of blosoms
flamebreak eathquake then playing the combo
the combo is very redundant
cause you have 8 tutor+ 3 erratic and 4 burning wish
first you play your tutor then erratic explosion so you need four mana
a perfect hand vs aggro would be first turn land
second turn wall of blossoms
third turn flamebreak
fourth turn combo GG (if fetchland has been played)

i need testing more
threshold matchup is about 50/50
you have walls to block and isao and loaming shaman
dont forget that you can tutor for him and he is uncounterable
i played 2 game against iggy pop
first game he didn t know what i was playing so he was waiting and didnt combo out so i kille him turn fourth
second game i tutor tormod's crypt
but i couldn t combo out cause he sided misdirection and tutored it with infernal tutor
but he fizzled
high tide
you are as fast as them
but you need boseiju to win
blue decks control like psychatog
bad matchup
goblin is a good matchup
you have so many wrath effect

erdjinn
09-19-2006, 12:05 PM
A GWR combo deck sounds strange.
How do you win if you draw your only Draco in the first 4 turns?
How do you win if your opponent gains a few life?
You just loose to too many cards: counters, brain freeze, predict ... and a Draco in your hopening hand means auto-mulligan.
Why don't you try with blue? You'll have access to many useful cards like Brainstorm (to put your Draco back) and many other support cards.
Hope this helps.

NoGameShow
09-19-2006, 12:10 PM
If you really want to make this deck viable I think you should look at some of the old extended builds that ran blue as their support color. They also ran more like control decks with combo wins. Using Intuition, Brainstorm, and Cunning Wish lets you sculpt your hand more to combo off. Wish is fun because it lets you fetch a Sonic Burst from the board for the last 4 damage as well as other stuff.

adrieng
09-19-2006, 01:11 PM
ok thanx i have tested a lot and the threshold matchup is so bad that i have given up i dont think a blue based is viable cause playing tog is just better
i am testing now a mix of three colour life from the loam and draco explosion
which works not bad but dont know if it s better than my classic life from the loam deck control
here the list
2 boseiju
1 forest
4 wooded foothils
3 windswepth heath
2 taiga
2 plateau
4 forgotten cave
4 tranquil thicket
2 secluded steppe
2 mountain

creatures control
3 loaming shaman
4 anurid brushopper

removal
4 lightning helix
4 lightning bolt
3 seimic assaut

others
4 burning wish
3 life from the loam
3 draco
3 scroll rack

side
same wish targets
3 enlightned tutor
4 pyrostatic pillar

the control deck
is the same with
-4 bolt +4 swords to plown
-3 draco
-2 boseiju +2 lands
-3 scroll rack
+1 seismic
+2 jotun grunt
+4 wild mongrel

i dont know which build is the best
the control decks beats threshold goblin pikula
looses against combo
i havent test against control (tog)
i don t really know if the combo build is fast enough to kill as fast as high tide
but it is about 50/50 against threshold and gob with worse matchup
i can t play enlightned tutor maindeck cause i would lose against threshold
against threshold you want to play your creatures and seismic assaut
with taking care of daze

erdjinn
09-21-2006, 08:38 AM
ok thanx i have tested a lot and the threshold matchup is so bad that i have given up i dont think a blue based is viable cause playing tog is just better
i am testing now a mix of three colour life from the loam and draco explosion
which works not bad but dont know if it s better than my classic life from the loam deck control
here the list
...


Hi again,
If you want to have a serious chance of comboing with Draco/Explosion you have to play blue for search and control (counters). And possibly also black for search (Lim-Dul's Vault is game) and other control (discard/removal).
Your 3-colour mix is ... hmmm ... let's simply say much worse than Tog, too.
Bye.

adrieng
09-21-2006, 10:15 AM
i play now the deck without draco explosion and it beats aggro ,threshold and gob if you resolve a seimic assaut pikula is really easy to beat
i played against high tide
game one i knew he was playing high tide so i said gg
i won the two others match sideboarding 6 reb
and 4 pillar and with the three jotun grunt maindeck
he sided hydroblast and repeal
i have left the four mongrel for four condemn
i didn t play against iggy pop which should be a hard matchup( you have only three loaming shaman)
i have beaten affinity one zero but the man left after that
i have made one one against silver deck
he won game two because of a pithing needle resolved and the crystalline sylver and winged silver then he has left
i have beaten 2-1 threshold splash red
and i played against an other man who has left after a resolved anurid brushopper and loaming shaman
made one one against aggro stax after he resolved first turn chalice for one second turn chalice for two
i agree this deck loses to stax(not aggro stax white with armageddon) which i played twice and lost twice two zero
i played against enchantress and lost 2-1
(confinment version)
i have beaten mono green stompy with berserk
i have beaten truffle shuffle anurid brushopper shines in this matchup
played against black white confidant won 2-0
i played a lot of random aggro like green white aggro with four armageddon won two zero (the deck which is in developpement)
my sideboard looks like that

1 pyroclasme
1 shattering spree
1 hull breach
1 life from the loam
1 nostalgic dream
3 reb
3 pyroblast
4 pyrostatic pillar

i have seen that a lot of people were playing mox diamond in their life from the loam deck
in this deck you dont want at all to lose one card to speed your mana
i tested it and i can assure you that it is a bad choice
and more against threshold it loses you game because first i don t to play gamble so if i dont have life from the loam i just lose the game
secondly it is an awful topdeck when you have loam in line
i prefer having another removal or creature

i dont know why i didn t played goblin online

URABAHN
09-21-2006, 01:34 PM
Isn't Predict the hottest card against Draco Explosion?

Opp - I'll play Erratic Explosion targeting you.
You - In response to your Erratic Explosion, I play Predict targeting you
Opp - Uhhh, I try to Scroll Rack in response?
You - I have Pithing Needle in play naming Scroll Rack, you can't activate it.
Opp - Then I have no response to Predict, it resolves.
You - I name DRACO!
Opp - *sob*, *blubber*, I scoop. =*(

Rood
09-21-2006, 01:41 PM
Isn't Predict the hottest card against Draco Explosion?

Opp - I'll play Erratic Explosion targeting you.
You - In response to your Erratic Explosion, I play Predict targeting you
Opp - Uhhh, I try to Scroll Rack in response?
You - I have Pithing Needle in play naming Scroll Rack, you can't activate it.
Opp - Then I have no response to Predict, it resolves.
You - I name DRACO!
Opp - *sob*, *blubber*, I scoop. =*(
If you're running blue countermagic you can always counter. For example my version ran Black/Blue/Red combination so not only do you get access to counterspells like Force and Daze but you also get lim-Dul's vault which is vertually game.

adrieng
09-21-2006, 01:47 PM
have you read what i am saying it is not draco explosion anymore it is loam contro lwhat i am playing can someone change the title of the deck please
three colour loam control it is
here is the list i played today goblin splash white which i beat 2-0
red death with drak confidant which i beat also 2-0
i beat also survival deck welder with the creature artifact which says that the first noncreature spell is countered 1-0 then player lost
i lost to burn 2-0

for the person who didn t take care here is the list

4 wooded foothils
3 windswepth heath
2 taiga
2 plateau
3 mountain
2 forest
1 plain
4 forgotten cave
4 tranquil thicket
2 secluded steppe

creatures
4 anurid brushopper
3 loaming shaman
3 jotun grunt

removals
4 swords to plownshare
4 condemn
4 lightning helix
4 seimic assaut

4 burning wish
3 life from the loam

side
1 life from the loam
1 nostalgic dream
1 shattering spree
1 hull breach
1 pyroclasm
3 red
3 pyroblast
4 pyrostatic pillar

i really think the advantage over o land
is that it beats threshold

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erdjinn
09-22-2006, 06:51 AM
have you read what i am saying it is not draco explosion anymore it is loam contro lwhat i am playing can someone change the title of the deck please


I don't want to mod, but we don't want a mod to change the title of this thread. This thread is Draco Explosion and not "What deck is adrieng currently playing?" thread. Here we want to talk about Draco Explosion. If you are not insterested in it anymore and you want to talk about Loam Control then post on another thread.


If you're running blue countermagic you can always counter. For example my version ran Black/Blue/Red combination so not only do you get access to counterspells like Force and Daze but you also get lim-Dul's vault which is vertually game.

BUR version was my choice, too. But I never built a deck. Can you share your decklist with us?
Thanks.

SillyMetalGAT
09-22-2006, 10:05 AM
I know a kid that has a foil chinese Draco if anyones interested.

vigilante
09-22-2006, 06:57 PM
adrieng: Hang on a minute...isn't the current incarnation of this "no longer a Draco Explosion" deck exactly the same as the three-colour LftL-based aggro-control-whatever deck that you've already posted three times before? (with mods closing the threads three times before, also).


"This thread is Draco Explosion and not "What deck is adrieng currently playing?" thread.QFT.

IndyTerminator
09-22-2006, 08:59 PM
Another great reason to run blue is for Brainstorm. If you get a Draco into your hand then you really shouldn't have a problem. I also think Burning Wish should be considered. Burning Wish because you can them play with a maximum of 7 Erratic Explosions.

adrieng
09-23-2006, 03:33 PM
the problem of the deck is that it looses against black white confidant and threshold
if you have an idea to make it viable tell me
An other interesting option is playing insidious dream
you discard two cards eot then you have the combo and you don t need to play
lot of cards like scroll rack etc...
maybe playing disrupt maindeck is a good option something like a blue red black
deck