Vesuva question

[SillyMetalGAT]

If Vesuva copies a basic land, is it still nonbasic?

[on1y0ne]

If Vesuva copies a basic land, is it still nonbasic?

No. It gains all characteristics of that land, including Name, Land type, etc. For all intents and purposes, it is, for example, another Island.

[quicksilver]

503.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics (name, mana cost, color, type, supertype, subtype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, and toughness)


205.4b Any land with the supertype “basic” is a basic land. Any land that doesn’t have this supertype is a nonbasic land.

So since basic is a supertype, and since copy effects copy supertypes, then Vesuva will become basic.

[tivadar]

As an add-on, bloodmoon doesn't set the supertype characteristic, so non-basic lands become non-basic mountains. Just wondering why that is, why does setting something via vesuva or tidal warrior make it a basic land, while setting it via bloodmoon does not?

EDIT: This is the ruling I've received from judges, always wondered why...

[quicksilver]

Because Vasuva is copying a basic land, thus it becomes basic. Bloodmoon makes things mountains, it says nothing about making it basic. There are already non-basic mountains in the game, such as taiga. There is no reason why making something a mountain would make it basic since there is no connection between the super type basic and the sub type mountain, they just happen to appear together on one card.

[tivadar]

Does this mean the ruling about Tidal Warrior, which reads:

Target land becomes an island.

is wrong. It stated that you could make a non-basic safe from wasteland by using tidal warrior in response to wasteland.

http://www.starcitygames.com/pages/judgefinder.php?keywords=Tidal+Warrior

Seemed wrong to me, but just want to make sure.

[quicksilver]

That must be an old ruling. Tidal warrior turns the land into an island, it says nothing about making it basic. So it cannot protect your land from wasteland.