Storm and Graveyard Question

[Complete_Jank]

When a token creature is killed, it goes to the graveyard, and triggers any effects that trigger when a creature is placed in a graveyard. However, the token creature can not exist in any other zone, and thus ceases to exist once it reaches the graveard.

With that being said...

When storm spells are being resolved, do the storm spells go to the graveyard then cease to exist, or do they just cease to exist after they resolve? I thought part of resolving a spell was placing it in the graveyard.

[scrumdogg]

To what end, what effect matters with 'spells that are not creatures' hitting the graveyard? Without a specific reference, why bother?

[cdr]

Copies of instants/sorceries do go to the graveyard when they resolve.


413.2h A spell is put into its owner's graveyard from the stack (for instants and sorceries) as the final step of the spell's resolution.


503.10a A copy of a spell in a zone other than the stack ceases to exist. A copy of a card in any zone other than the stack or the in-play zone ceases to exist. This is a state-based effect.

[Complete_Jank]

Copies of instants/sorceries do go to the graveyard when they resolve.

Thank you for the answer.

I thought that they did, but we were having an argument/discussion on the issue.


As for when ever this will come up: If you have Compost in play and are playing against a deck winning with Tendrils of Agony you draw cards for each copy of the spell. I know that this matters very little in this situation, however you can continue to draw into more counters or Search cards, and this is only one use of this trigger.

Thanks again for the answer.

[TorpidNinja]

From Oracle:

Whenever a black card is put into an opponent's graveyard, you may draw a card.

Unless they've changed the rules recently, copies of a card are not, themselves, considered cards per se. Thus, you draw nothing when a Tendrils copy hits their graveyard.

[Complete_Jank]

From Oracle:

Whenever a black card is put into an opponent's graveyard, you may draw a card.

Unless they've changed the rules recently, copies of a card are not, themselves, considered cards per se. Thus, you draw nothing when a Tendrils copy hits their graveyard.

Now, that brings up the question, "What is the definition of a Card?"

Something has to be considered a card when it is in the graveyard correct?

A Card is something that is either in your hand, in your library, in your graveyard, or in your Sideboard. These four locations of the game are not considered to have anything but cards. Any card while on the stack is not considered a card, but a spell. Anything in-play or phased-out is considered a permanent. Anything removed from game depending on how it has been removed from the game is usually a card.

These storm spells are in your graveyard right before they cease to exist as a State-based effect, and thus would classify as a card during that time. However because of the State-based effect, they can not be reacted to by players, and then cease to be a card.


That is how I look at it, and thus would be considered cards.

[Nightmare]

"What is the definition of a Card?"
A card is a physical piece of cardboard. Copies of spells are not cards. You do not draw from interum storm copies of Tendrils of Agony.

[Complete_Jank]

A card is a physical piece of cardboard.

What rule number is that?

[Nightmare]

200.1. When a rule or text on a card refers to a "card," it means a Magic card with a Magic card front and the Magic card back. Tokens aren't considered cards-even a card that represents a token isn't considered a card for rules purposes.

[Complete_Jank]

Thank You, that makes better sense than what you had stated before.

Yes, storm copies go to the graveyard, but they are not considered cards.

What are they considered when they are in the graveyard?


What are they considered when they are in the graveyard?

To answer my own question after research. They are Objects.