Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
Very good primer IMO. It was really easy to read and gave a good listing of how the interactions worked and the different matchups. I really like this deck idea and have been slowly picking up some of the pieces Im missing for it over the past six months or so. I absolutely cannot wait to try out a version of this deck!
Keep up the good work this deck looks like a ton of fun! :laugh:
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
Thanks Umbranex :) I hope you enjoy playing the deck. Please post your own experiences in this thread if you feel like it! :smile:
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
I will of course! It will probably be few and far between though as there is basically no legacy around me :cry:
I am in the process of trying to get an MTGO account to play legacy events on but that is slow going as I dont have much disposable income atm... but I will definitely watch the thread and chime in with any suggestions I may have!
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
The only card I play that isn't mentioned in the primer is drift of phantasms. It is tutors for food chain and fierce empath, and can be pitched to force. It is just a one of in my list, but I is almost never dead. Because it is a creature, you can use it as a solid blocker and can sac it to chain for mana. You cannot use food chain mana to transmute it though.
4 noble hierarch
3 deathrite shaman
3 fierce empath
1 drift of phantasms
4 misthollow griffins
4 mulldrifters
1 aethersnipe
1 griselbrand
1 emrakul
4 brainstorm
4 ponder
4 force of will
2 misdirection
2 manipulate fate
4 food chain
2 island
2 forest
2 ancient tomb
4 tropical island
4 misty rainforest
4 verdant catacombs
Sideboard is...
3 pithing needle
3 spell pierce
4 surgical extraction
2 krosan grip
3 spellskite
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
Heya cb4, sorry for the slow reply. Been busy! I will add Drift of Phantasms as one of the possible utility cards. I've actually never played with it myself as I'm not a big fan of the transmute mechanic's sorcery speed. But I like it in principle, in that it can be used to find both Food Chain and Fierce Empath.
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
Hi, I played yesterday with my food chain deck in a GPTrial Paris Legacy-event in a local store. 21 players showed up and we played 5 rounds of swiss and top8. I went 3-1-1 with the following list and was 3rd after the swiss and made myself to the tops.
Lands
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Tropical Island
1 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Ancient Tomb
2 Forest
2 Island
Creatures
3 Misthollow Griffin
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 Fierce Empath
1 AEthersnipe
1 Griselbrand
2 Deathrite Shaman
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Progenitus
2 Birds of Paradise
Spells
4 Food Chain
4 Force of Will
2 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Misdirection
4 Natural Order
3 Manipulate Fate
Sideboard
3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Spell Pierce
1 Wipe Away
4 Show and Tell
2 Omniscience
1 Empyrial Archangel
1 Relic of Progenitus
R1 vs. BUGstill 2-1
R2 vs. Affinity 2-1
R3 vs. UR-delver 1-2
R4 vs UWR-delver 2-1
R5 vs. BUG id (played for fun and I won 3-0)
Top8 R1 vs. another UR-delver 0-2
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
Heya Obould. That looks like a solid list, and grats on your result :)
Can I ask how the Show and Tell sideboard was to play? I've been planning to give it a try but haven't been able to yet. Against what did you bring it in and how was it?
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Originally Posted by
Obould
Hi, I played yesterday with my food chain deck in a GPTrial Paris Legacy-event in a local store. 21 players showed up and we played 5 rounds of swiss and top8. I went 3-1-1 with the following list and was 3rd after the swiss and made myself to the tops.
Lands
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Tropical Island
1 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Ancient Tomb
2 Forest
2 Island
Creatures
3 Misthollow Griffin
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 Fierce Empath
1 AEthersnipe
1 Griselbrand
2 Deathrite Shaman
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Progenitus
2 Birds of Paradise
Spells
4 Food Chain
4 Force of Will
2 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Misdirection
4 Natural Order
3 Manipulate Fate
Sideboard
3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Spell Pierce
1 Wipe Away
4 Show and Tell
2 Omniscience
1 Empyrial Archangel
1 Relic of Progenitus
R1 vs. BUGstill 2-1
R2 vs. Affinity 2-1
R3 vs. UR-delver 1-2
R4 vs UWR-delver 2-1
R5 vs. BUG id (played for fun and I won 3-0)
Top8 R1 vs. another UR-delver 0-2
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
I bring it in against every deck to get a surprise factor. Against BUGstill I lost first game when trying to get food chain online but lost the counter war. Game 2&3 I sided the food chain out because of abrupt decays and surprise. Game 2 I won with early progenitus and game 3 with turn 3 omniscience to emrakul. Against affinity I got the food chain online and managed to get griselbrand, but it wasn't enough. Game 2 and 3 I sided natural order package + misdirections and something out, because progenitus is too slow. Game 2 I won with food chain to emrakul and game 3 turn 2 show and tell to emrakul. Against UR-delver the food chain is too hard to get online because it needs more combo-pieces and UR has a lot of counters. I managed to get natural order through counters once and got angel for the win (in top8 I kept 2 land hands, but didn't drew more lands and managuys got bolted when they hit the table). Against UWR I won first game with food chain to emrakul in turn 4 or 5. Flooded second game and game 3 won with omniscience to empath to emrakul turn 3 (A sidenote, he bring medling mages in and named food chain :D). Against BUG (that we id) I won first game with food chain, second game with natural order to progenitus (sided food chain out) and third game with show and tell to emrakul with 1 or 2 other guys on table).
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
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Originally Posted by
DragoFireheart
I like this deck, but I feel like it's... not optimized.
SUGGESTION 2: Did you ever consider
Green Sun's Zenith? If you have the Griffin and Food Chain but no big creature in hand, you can make a bunch of mana and cast GSZ to get a Progenitus or something. Also lets you fetch a Fierce Empath.
You can only cast creatures with the mana from food chain.
As for your suggestion 1, I have tried food chain with beatdown plan with 3 tarmogoyfs and 4 deathrite shamans main. It was ok but I have liked natural order package more.
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
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Originally Posted by
Obould
You can only cast creatures with the mana from food chain.
As for your suggestion 1, I have tried food chain with beatdown plan with 3 tarmogoyfs and 4 deathrite shamans main. It was ok but I have liked natural order package more.
Why not try and just shove NOPro, Show and Tell, and Food Griffin all in? Make it so that every spell is a must counter/kill or be killed. This gives you three different ways to drop a giant monster onto the battlefield.
- They have to remove any of your green creatures or risk a NO.
- They must counter the Empaths or risk you getting a creature in hand for Show and Tell.
- They almost certainly have to counter Show and Tell. They have to nuke your Food Chain or risk you getting mana to cast your creature.
- And if all of that fails, you can beat face with Griffins.
Note: I prefer 2 Misdirection to 2 Daze since you can redirect their counters to the Misd. or deal with Abrupt Decays targeting your stuff.
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 Fierce Empath
1 Griselbrand
3 Misthollow Griffin
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Progenitus
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
3 Manipulate Fate
2 Misdirection
4 Natural Order
4 Show and Tell
4 Food Chain
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Forest
4 Island
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Tropical Island
4 Verdant Catacombs
Conditioning my opponent to counter or kill Fierce Empath is pretty amusing.
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
I'm currently brewing this deck.
First of all - sorry if I'm missing something in the discussion or is off topic (new to this forum).
MAIN:
3 Baleful Strix
1 Aethersnipe
3 Misthollow Griffin
3 Fierce Empath
2 Manipulate Fate
1 Intuition
4 Brainstorm
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Force of Will
2 Noble Hierarch
2 Wall of Roots
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Cabal Therapy
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Griselbrand
4 Food Chain
4 Polluted Delta
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Flooded Strand
1 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Island
1 Tundra
SB:
2 Viridian Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Swan Song
1 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Force of Will
2 Dread of Night
2 Mindbreak Trap
2 Faerie Macabre
1 Tidespout Tyrant
The deck doesn't need a 3rd game plan, I've won games just by wrecking my opponent with strix (super important over WoB etc because FOW) + therapy and with just griffins swinging.
The deck can easily play out like a slower BUG-control, but also got hands that combo out T2 (rarely) and more often T3.
Board is mostly against other faster combo, lands, reanimate, DnT, but for me the deck has not cared much for other decks except combo.
It easily breaks a lot of decks, since it doesn't care about most hate bears, is hard to play against, wins in multiple ways (opponent who boards in FC-hate gets punished) and the board fits really smooth into the main deck without losing the game plan.
Matches so far (local tournament)
1-2 Naya Hatebears
2-0 Infect
2-1 TES
2-0 UW Standstill
2-0 RUB Planeswalker
2-0 Stoneblade
2-0 Belcher
2-0 Dragonstompy
1-2 Maverick
2-0 Meat Hooks
2-1 Merfolk (TNN)
2-0 Enchantress
Maindeck is pretty solid, unsure about the board with the 2 Dread of Nights. The only games I've lost are against decks that run hate bears – which should be my best matchup. (done some play mistakes also)
Think I need something for them, thinking about Bone Shredder…
The TES matchup is getting better, they have a really hard time after board and often problem before with our suit of removal, hand-disrupt and FoW. Won many games when they go for the goblin-plan, since Food Chain often combos out one turn after the storm-decks.
Just some thoughts!
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Obould
Hi, I played yesterday with my food chain deck in a GPTrial Paris Legacy-event in a local store. 21 players showed up and we played 5 rounds of swiss and top8. I went 3-1-1 with the following list and was 3rd after the swiss and made myself to the tops.
Lands
4 Misty Rainforest
3 Tropical Island
1 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wooded Foothills
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Ancient Tomb
2 Forest
2 Island
Creatures
3 Misthollow Griffin
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 Fierce Empath
1 AEthersnipe
1 Griselbrand
2 Deathrite Shaman
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Progenitus
2 Birds of Paradise
Spells
4 Food Chain
4 Force of Will
2 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
2 Misdirection
4 Natural Order
3 Manipulate Fate
Sideboard
3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Spell Pierce
1 Wipe Away
4 Show and Tell
2 Omniscience
1 Empyrial Archangel
1 Relic of Progenitus
R1 vs. BUGstill 2-1
R2 vs. Affinity 2-1
R3 vs. UR-delver 1-2
R4 vs UWR-delver 2-1
R5 vs. BUG id (played for fun and I won 3-0)
Top8 R1 vs. another UR-delver 0-2
Hi Obould,
Have you tried Wall of blossoms in your list ?
Cos
- it's a 0/4 Defender, so it can give you lots of time vs aggro
- it gives you a card when entering
- it's a sac-target for Natural order
After testing with your list with a friend, we wondered if it couldn't have a place in !
Thanx
Grokh
Re: [Primer] Food Chain Combo
My Food chain altered in Winter mode was refused by a Head judge on a BIG event, so i asked the alterator to do it again but with not so much snow, here's the new Food chain Winter :
http://www.coupdpinceau.com/images/s...20(winter).jpg
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So absoloutely gorgeous mate! Could you post a picture of all four?
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Hi,
I have tested wall of blossoms without natural order but with beatdown plan b mainboard. It is ok but it doesn't make the deck faster or protect the combo. It also doesn't block delver. I think wall of roots would be better to get around daze or spell pierce, but also blocks guides and other in the same way as wall of blossoms. I might test two wall of roots in place of deathrite shamans, because shaman is the most unreliable manasource of the managuys (if opponent plays shaman or no fetches in graveyard). Also there haven't been too many graveyard based decks in the meta right now.
ps. I have started to foil my deck and now I have empaths, food chains, manipulate fates, bops, griffins, emrakuls (only prele for now) and one natural order in foil :)
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Hi,
As you asked here are my 4 Seasons Food chain alters :
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/18...sation0001.jpg
If some of you are in Grand Prix Paris this week-end, you'l be able to see it for real !