Re: [Deck] White Aggro Stax
After a time, Scars of mirrodin provided us of this angel:
http://www.uploadfilesystem.com/thum...n_abj96622.jpg
I think that it's perfect for protecting our main artifacts from pridemage, grip and others.
Its cost fits with mana range of the deck, so i'll test it in place on linvala.
Thoughts?
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And what about the new Leonin Arbiter?
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A fairly similar deck on deckcheck:
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=31208
I'm not saying it's better, but it does have a few cards that you might find worth considering. Cataclysm, for example, looks very good in that deck. It's like Smokestack and Armageddon rolled into one. Calciderm, on the other hand, is an odd choice as it cannot be equipped.
I think that you should replace Chrome Mox with Mox Diamond. It just has better synergy with your deck. Also you may need bigger creatures and/or equipment IMO. Even Exalted angel will often be smaller than Tarmogoyf; it doesn't help that you play a lot of artifacts and enchantments, which will make Goyf 5/6 much of the time.
Re: [Deck] White Aggro Stax
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Originally Posted by
GoldenCid
After a time, Scars of mirrodin provided us of this angel:
http://www.uploadfilesystem.com/thum...n_abj96622.jpg
I think that it's perfect for protecting our main artifacts from pridemage, grip and others.
Its cost fits with mana range of the deck, so i'll test it in place on linvala.
Thoughts?
Why everybody wanna test with this bad angel in this deck? If u want to protect your artifacts run Leonin Abunas. It's 2/5 with no metalcraftshit and CC is better
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Originally Posted by
Al-ucard
And what about the new Leonin Arbiter?
Nice but suboptimal in comparisson with Mindscensor.
@masamune: I thought exactly the same, but this angel flies (i run moat) and can be used as winning condition at the same time you protect your stuff...
Re: [Deck] White Aggro Stax
Don't they call this...Angel Stompy?
Re: [Deck] White Aggro Stax
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Originally Posted by
makochman
A fairly similar deck on deckcheck:
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=31208
I'm not saying it's better, but it does have a few cards that you might find worth considering. Cataclysm, for example, looks very good in that deck. It's like Smokestack and Armageddon rolled into one. Calciderm, on the other hand, is an odd choice as it cannot be equipped.
I think that you should replace Chrome Mox with Mox Diamond. It just has better synergy with your deck. Also you may need bigger creatures and/or equipment IMO. Even Exalted angel will often be smaller than Tarmogoyf; it doesn't help that you play a lot of artifacts and enchantments, which will make Goyf 5/6 much of the time.
It's a nice deck. But if think it plays a bit different. We abuse of the effects of armagedon with windborn muse, tabernacle, crucible and magus postside. He plays cataclism instead.
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Well...some fresh movement to this topic.
Wtih the augue of Survival, activated habilities and tutoring is a key subject of actual magic. So This deck is probably a rea good antimetagame choice. I took the decission of running an additonal Suppression field (instead of a crucible) maindeck which is insane combinate with mind sensor.
Off course leyline of sancticity came into the sideboard to seal the deal against combo (if needed) and burn. Here is the list for discussion:
/ Lands
3 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair
5 [5E] Plains (1)
4 [EX] City of Traitors
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
1 [LG] Karakas
3 [TE] Wasteland
1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
// Creatures
4 [FUT] Aven Mindcensor
4 [10E] Windborn Muse
4 [ON] Exalted Angel
// Spells
3 [FD] Crucible of Worlds
4 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
4 [DS] Trinisphere
4 [PT] Armageddon
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
1 [LG] Moat
3 [RAV] Suppression Field
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [TSB] Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 [LE] Glowrider
SB: 3 [PLC] Magus of the Tabernacle
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 2 [ROE] Linvala, Keeper of Silence
Re: [Deck] White Aggro Stax
mox diamond seems better than chrome mox in this deck
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Originally Posted by
Dino
mox diamond seems better than chrome mox in this deck
I would like to read your reasons.
Re: [Deck] White Aggro Stax
Not as much card disadvantage with crucible in play.
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Originally Posted by
GoldenCid
I would like to read your reasons.
Because it's a Stax shell. You have 11 Artifacts + 4 Chrome Mox in the deck and you'll likely be pitching a threat or business, something that you cannot afford to do without inherent card advantage. You aren't even running Horizon Canopies like normal Stax shells. Yikes!
Also, Tormod's Crypt + Trinisphere?
I'm pretty sure this is just Angel Stompy with MD Suppresion Fields...
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Also, why Exalted Angel over Baneslayer?
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Originally Posted by
GoldenCid
I would like to read your reasons.
Chrome mox requires you to remove a colored card, which would be one of your lock pieces or win cons.
With mox diamond, you are able to keep those in your hand and along with crucible, you can get back the lands that you discarded earlier.
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Originally Posted by
Dino
Chrome mox requires you to remove a colored card, which would be one of your lock pieces or win cons.
With mox diamond, you are able to keep those in your hand and along with crucible, you can get back the lands that you discarded earlier.
The problem with mox diamond is that it requires you to run a higher land count than he is now. He currently has 21 land and 4 moxes, where a geddon stax deck normally runs 24-25 lands and 4 diamonds. The difference between the two decks is that you are opening 4 more slots for an additional lock piece. The problem with regular stacks is that some days the deck works wonderfully but other days you get screwed on mana. So i like the idea of dropping 4 lands for an addtional threat in the mainboard seems like a positive.
Also, why only 1 moat mainboard. There are no tutors so wouldn't you want to make a few changes to run 2-3.
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Originally Posted by
Morbid-
Also, Tormod's Crypt + Trinisphere?
I'm guessing he would play the Crypt BEFORE playing Trini...
Even if he draws it after, he already has 3 mana,so no problems here...
Re: [Deck] White Aggro Stax
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Originally Posted by
wally2345
The problem with mox diamond is that it requires you to run a higher land count than he is now. He currently has 21 land and 4 moxes, where a geddon stax deck normally runs 24-25 lands and 4 diamonds. The difference between the two decks is that you are opening 4 more slots for an additional lock piece. The problem with regular stacks is that some days the deck works wonderfully but other days you get screwed on mana. So i like the idea of dropping 4 lands for an addtional threat in the mainboard seems like a positive.
Exactly. The land count here can't support 4 diamond that's why chrome. Note that most of our pieces are run y 4x (except SF) son you can print one to mox with a "security" that you will get another copy with the time if you lock. For example a gedon doesn't need to be cast before turn 3 or 4 so depending on your hand (this is always depending on your opening hand) you can print it to get an sphere on battlefield. On the other hand, the most of openng hands looks like:
PLains + Plains + mox + 4 Spells, would yu discard a plains to diamond?? (if you run it)
or
Tomb / city + mox + 5 Spellsm would you discard??
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Originally Posted by
ScatmanX
I'm guessing he would play the Crypt BEFORE playing Trini...
Even if he draws it after, he already has 3 mana,so no problems here...
Yes, I realized that. Just seems a little awkward, but I guess there's not much more answers that Mono-W has to graveyards outside of terrible ones like Morningtide, since you can't run Relic of Progenitus.
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Originally Posted by
GoldenCid
Exactly. The land count here can't support 4 diamond that's why chrome. Note that most of our pieces are run y 4x (except SF) son you can print one to mox with a "security" that you will get another copy with the time if you lock. For example a gedon doesn't need to be cast before turn 3 or 4 so depending on your hand (this is always depending on your opening hand) you can print it to get an sphere on battlefield. On the other hand, the most of openng hands looks like:
PLains + Plains + mox + 4 Spells, would yu discard a plains to diamond?? (if you run it)
or
Tomb / city + mox + 5 Spellsm would you discard??
I don't think the point was replacing Chrome Mox with Mox Diamond straight up.
I'm not sure what the "correct" number of Lands to run with 4 Mox Diamond in these builds is but I'm certain it's 24-25 or higher. What you've essentially done is just taken a generic Stax list and went -3 Lands, -4 Mox Diamond, +4 Chrome Mox, +3 Suppresion Field. I'm honestly not seeing any difference, or any reason why its better (reasoning below).
Not putting the deck down, I just don't see the reason it's not part of the Stax thread. You're always going to have the inherent issue of card advantage with a deck like this, why not pitch something more synergistic (Pitch Land, use Crucible). You can't get an exiled Imprint target back. The original point of the Moxen was obviously to get that t1 Trinisphere, I don't believe anything is different here either.
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What do you mean with classical?? By classical i understand: Magus of the tabernacle + Smokestak + Geddon. This is quite different and there's no thread discussion about a version like this!