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God, I wish Legacy players weren't such fucking babies. Play the decks that appeal to you, and don't be a prick to people if they like a different style of Magic.

Hollow One / Vengevine decks have been making strong showings in both Vintage and Modern. Do folks here still think Survival is a safe unban in Legacy?

A lot of the “Brainstorm Forever!” camp would benefit from this as well. Play some Modern and Vintage, and you’ll get a perspective on why 4 Brainstorm is absurd and shouldn’t be taken for granted.

You had me up until here:



I'm with you that Probe doesn't need a ban, but you can't seriously argue that playing blind is equally-as- or less-skill-intensive than playing with perfect...

While I think Recruiter and Earthcraft are safer unbans, I think Mind Twist is the most likely to come off because it's both very iconic and can theoretically fit in more decks.

This isn't true though, right? When OGW came out and Eldrazi Stompy ran amok, Chalice came to the forefront of the public conscience. People adapted - not by abandoning all their cantrips, but by...

Bummed that Misstep dodged a bullet, but this is otherwise a solid announcement.

Workshop restriction would have been a travesty, but Thorn is a good hit. As someone buying into White Eldrazi...

AND the toilets flush in reverse? God what a strange land you guys live in.

Dammit, I thought Steve knew something since it's tomorrow in Australia.

Wouldn't RB Reanimator be a good example of a "new" Legacy deck that existed for a long time? Other than Collected Brutality, that card pool has been around for a few years but wasn't really played....

Wow, so many quality posts. Also surprising that BS, Probe, and Tomb are getting lots of chatter but DRS isn't.




Can confirm. Even one Tomb vs Delver is risky, but two is almost an auto-loss...

You mean Brainstorm?

I'm in one of those metas and enjoy Vintage, but yeah "Shop vs Mentor: The Format" seems shitty.

No real Legacy complaints. I'll be annoyed if anything in the existing card pool gets banned in the...

Because it forces them to stop playing with themselves?

I've heard that same idea thrown around in Vintage (e.g. restrict Probe to diversify blue and weaken Shops). Has WotC ever made bans in that way? As far as I can remember, they tend to just go after...

Helene tweeted it.

At least "New Legacy" still involves a bunch of sweaty dudes.

This is obviously an emergency Earthcraft unban. Instead of posting here, you should all be buying out Unglued Squirrel Tokens before the spike.

While I would happily never play against Sneak Show ever again, there's no way High Tide's coming back. Ignoring the fact that very few players will buy Candle, the deck is just bad. It struggles...

I think Miracles used to be worse against Shardless and Eldrazi, but the inclusion of Blood Moon, Back to Basics, and Moat* has tipped the balance. That's my biggest issue with the deck: its shell is...

I also don't wanna go down the card creation rabit hole, and I like the cards you've referenced. The only problem I see is that when Wizards keeps printing hate bears, we see a limited range of decks...

Maybe this is straying too far from B&R discussion, but what would that even look like? It's hard for me to picture a maindeckable combo hate card that's interactive, non-blue, not discard, not...

As a quick point, I think you're right about Earthcraft but wrong about Gush. Having played against that card in both Vintage and Pauper, it absolutely should not ever be unbanned in Legacy....

I hadn't seen that top 8 yet . . . holy shit. Japan's supposed to be the forefront of interesting Legacy, and that's their top 8? :frown: At least 2 decks weren't on Brainstorm, though, so we're all...

...people absolutely complain about the Sol Land/Chalice shell. It's just that the Blue shell is more flexible than the others, has a much larger share of the meta, and gives a bigger leg-up in long...