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you mean, instead of vindicates right ?

With what list ? :)

Test porcelain legionarie, he can block wild nacatl and kird apes. He will eat removal though, but in that match I think it's better than revoker.

I think you have an argument there, still I'm testing 3x Vampire. In my experience, the solid manabase has been extremely helpful. Even running a singleton plains sucked, it's critical to be able to...

Could you post your list ? :)

I run 19 land + 4 Chrome Mox

8 fetch
4 scrubland
4 wasteland
2 swamp
1 heath

21 Black Cards to support mox (1st turn hymn)
10 White Cards

Hey there, interesting take. I don't like your manabase a lot, seems quite vulnerable to wasteland.

What do you really think of vindicate according to your testing ? ( impressions ? is it too slow...

I've been testing Cabal Therapy and 4x Bitter Blossom + 4x Chrome Mox, looks interesting, still need to fix some stuff.

Will post a list later today

I'm with you here Riszo,

Avoiding MM is the huge advantage that the mox gives you

Yeah, I like discard more ( at least in my meta it has been better )

My build is a bit weird, but I run 4 Thoughtseize + 4 Hymn + 2 Kozilek I.

Test it out and let me know what you think ( Also...

I don't really like mother either, I also think it's slow and I think disruption/bigger dudes are better.

About Grunt, I haven't been running those in a while, personally I run 10 discard & 5...

Yep, still you could equip the Crusader, and a crusader + jitte is also crazy... 4 counters per attack can be a blast.

I saw all the Deadguy matches that where broadcasted by Star City Games.

Some thoughts:

1) The list that Joe Bernal ran had too few lands IMHO... 18 + 3 chrome moxes ? I saw the guy loose a...

We could really use batterskull, loving the idea so far.

I upgraded my list and removed the gatekeepers to add +4 serra avenger, seems more solid now. Still need to figure out my SB though, but in...

I did some modifications to the list:

Artifacts:
4 Æther Vial
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Sword of Fire and Ice

Creatures:

Been observing this thread for a while,

I'm not an expert on this deck, but this is my current list:

Lands:
4 Marsh Flats
6 Swamp
4 Scrubland
4 Wasteland
4 Polluted Delta