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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    "There are only 6 Basic Islands in the deck, so either you need to cut Artifact Lands or Sol lands for the Fetches. Preordain is really the best way to dig when you don't have shuffle effects."
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Inventers fair is probably fine in some lists. For example, the list that spud posted didn't use a lot of colored Mana so you could easily replace 1-2 copies of citadel, which is probably what I...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    That's why you play it with chalice.
    I've been playing the deck on MTGO (mostly practice room stuff) and it performs pretty well. However, I've actually cut down on the painter/grindstone combo...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Well, here's a small snippet from SCG website:

    Brian Durkin

    Age: 33

    Hometown:
    Philadelphia, PA

    Archetype:
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Umm, no it was actually dark slick shores and that was for e.e. and it wasn't underground sea for Budget reasons. Guy was interviewed about the deck.

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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    I actually like a couple elements of your Antiquties War list so gave it a try. First, the bad... I would get rid of the one of walking ballista and swap out the e.e for a ratchet bomb. I think...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Fyi, bug is fixed!

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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Let me be clear, if you have chalice on turn one you are playing it, just like you play a turn one blood moon in shortcake even though your tutors are white. You have other answers in the deck to...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    It's also running opals and a chrome mox. I would cut one of the opals and add another island. Just remember, this change would be for the ability to run one of the most busted cards in magic....
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Not with whir in your deck.

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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    My question is why would you not build this deck with chalice and whir??? Antiquities war is actually a sweet and powerful alt. Win con but I would definitely play chalice in this deck. Just...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    @ELC: I'm also confused by this. I'm not sure what your actual alt win con is in your list and I'm confused by your "multiple attack steps" comment. It's not like the bauble gives you multiple...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    This seems like a tall order. Having said that, you could have a one-of that shuffles back into your deck (like Progenitus) and grindstone yourself end-of-turn, untap, draw the progenitus and then...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    @jasper: yeah, I'm talking about just running out the combo on turns. However, the opals allow me to cantrip to find protection (blasts/FoW).I will typically only run out painter on turn 2 if I have...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    First, to answer your questions, I can combo as early as turn 3, and it isn't that terribly hard to do. I am usually setting up the combo in my hand with protection pieces and then going off on one...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    So this is where I think I'm at with grixis painter right now (see list below). This is pretty speculative though, as I keep going back and forth between how I feel about blood moon main. I think I...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Yeah, I'm not sure yet. I've been playing on MTGO with other decks just to get a sense of what the new META will look like. What's funny is that I was finally at a really good place with my list...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    ...this. honestly, if deathrite gets axed in the next ban I would consider swinging to white. The combo hate is so much better in white. I actually just added blood moon main to my list. It just...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Are you still using the vision charm/dreadnaught combo? Does it ever win you games?
    Was your eldrazi opponent playing artifact Mana? Because if they were that matchup is near impossible.... Unless...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    In your list I think Tezz is still pretty good. You are still playing a lot of artifacts, and now with the thopter/swords combo you are playing two artifact combos that Tezz can put together quickly...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Or, in Colo's list, use vision charm to "phase out" the dreadnaught in response to sac trigger, which also keeps him on the board. Stifle and vision charm are basically interchangeable for this...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Also, speaking of lists, this is what I've transitioned to now:

    // Lands
    2 [UNH] Island
    1 [B] Volcanic Island
    2 [UNH] Swamp
    2 [B] Underground Sea
    1 [B] Badlands
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    Re: Noughty Painter

    Interesting list. Definitely can approach the game from different angles. My thoughts would be...

    1. Do you really think a misdirection is better than the fourth force? I understand that it's...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    Rise/fall is a very good card and I did consider it. You could consider a couple copies in the board as it is particularly good in certain matchups. It's better if you are playing Snapcaster though...
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    Re: [Deck] Painter-Stone

    So, I'm still primarily playing Grixis painter. I enjoy shortcake as well but this just feels more powerful. I was really hoping for a deathrite ban, as that card is just so oppressive against so...
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