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    It would be nice if they broke it down by ban era on mtgtop8 but looking at things by years:
    2016: Hymn/Blue Hymn (CB)/Pseudo-Hymn (Probe-Therapy): 30%
    2017: 24%
    2018: 24%
    2019: 12%
    Last 4...
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    @kombatkiwi
    The decks I listed were all playable. I was showing how those decks, despite being playable, did nothing to ever threaten Hymn/CB from tier 1. Then I walked through how CB/Hymn were thus...
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    Wrenn is easier to beat [yard hate for example] than CB saying Decay or lose, while in the same meta Decay in deck = losing to Snap/Hymn. There is no creative space for fair decks to go that flying...
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    You have successfully described why Wrenn was a bad ban. He chased Hymn and CB out of the format. He's gone, those two are coming back - there is nothing that can stop it. Just sit back and watch;...
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    Yes, if you mass duals you will consistently not be able to control your incoming mana (for a 3rd color), nor will you be able to use Brainstorm, nor will you be able to get extra lands out of your...
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    Go to mtgtop8 and pull up some events. Go play [or watch] legacy against Wrenn/Oko. ThereĎs no one statistic you can pull up to explain how a deck playing efficient isolated 1-card combos is doing...
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    You're putting the cart in front of the horse on Tomb and Vial [or Port] and what would need banned. The question is really whether or not there is a way to allow the Fetchland users to police...
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    @Secretly.A.Bee I don't think Moon decks have the greatest track record against decks with mana bases similar to miracles; it just sounds kinda awful to invest 3 cards to turboMoon people in a format...
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    And you have to ban Moon because a sizeable fraction of decks play 5+ basics, or they are Loam/Mox, or Cavern/Vial, or another Sol Land deck?? Maybe you missed the part about just playing 2c...
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    Take whatever blue Fetchland deck you might play, get it down to 2c (change the fast Fetches to slow and add some basics), make some non-land card choices. You're now doing the exact same thing,...
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    Oh no, you're not banning Wasteland in that scenario. Wasteland can't touch anyone who played a responsible 2c list at the new speed of the format (has zero text against Fabled Passage/Evolving...
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    @H it would be optimal if Fetches were banned and they reprinted duals at the same time, but this won't happen. Even without that happening, if you look at all the cards out there you're going to...
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    The Cavern/Vial idea is, by nature of its construction, unable to maintain its own relevance. Regardless of the tribe, you donít need much of a detour to undermine their entire gameplan. Thatís not...
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    Constriction of the format is tied to linear access to perfectly-fixed mana. Without Fetchlands you have to adhere to the color wheel more tightly or slow down to grab those duals or play cards like...
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    Re: Death-Nought

    Once you do that you turn into worse Czech Pile derivative. Youíll eventually start to cut creatures for Strix/Ice-Fang and then need Decay for CB, just like we saw happen in Czech times. Thatís the...
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    When you look at Hymn in Czech, it needs to be understood that there is no such card that:
    -survives shatter/shock
    -avoids DRS's graveyard policing
    -doesn't die to 1/1 flying deathtouch
    -has a...
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    Can't quite reduce it to that level @BirdsOfParadise. You can have a deck that does whatever you want, and with minimal SB slots you can opt out of playing magic vs Dredge. This is quite impossible...
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    Re: UG Upheaval

    Painterís Servant + Hibernation because instant speed (also you donít have to worry about Oko layers with Elk since no matter what theyíd stay green).
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    Eh, itís fine. Thereís nothing stopping people from having access to mana security on turn 1 with 2c decks; but you do need to slow down. No more full-speed mana fixing (before 4 lands in play) with...
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    Oh youíd ban Vista so fast if Fetches were getting the axe. You can have Fabled Passage or w/e the fixed Vista is called. Other than that, you slow down and play either Evolving Wilds type cards,...
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    Re: [Deck] Canadian Threshold (aka RUG Delver, Tempo Thresh)

    Unfortunately playing a stream of dudes into Snapcaster + 1 mana removal spells isnít a winning formula. Replace Goose with Hexdrinker (you need to be able to not lose attacker to Strix/Ice-Fang),...
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    Iím not saying it wouldnít make for the most idiotic mirror matches to have them all be legal, but with DRS back around itís tolerable (you would increase not-blue fair deck meta share since theyíd...
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    And yet somehow fine b/c RUG can't really do a ton about that, even against a not-blue deck. It really was that easy to pull the proverbial rug out from under their deck with just 1 unban.
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    Re: [Deck] Dreadstill - Enter the Fist

    Naw, he was just more dumb than anything. Have to remember that RUG Delver is a dead deck in that they can only change by getting strict upgrades. There was a sequence of banning DRS into printing 3...
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    That may be the part that felt bad, the more problematic thing about Oko for your deck is that Oko users can let turn 1 Chalice snap resolve. You lose your first real wincon to countermagic instead,...
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