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    Letting non-Wizards persons vote on what to ban/unban is probably the dumbest thing I've read on these forums in nearly 10 years. Jesus Christ we've hit a new low.
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    Also, price memory is a powerful thing. Some cards drop down to pre-spike levels, but many do not.
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    The following is my personal belief not associated with any data or statistics:

    I agree that Emrakul is just as uninteractive as TNN, although this sting is somewhat mitigated in knowing that you...
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    Yep, that what-if trigger has been brought up by myself and others before. Would've been nice, but Mark Rosewater has gone on record stating that "errata isn't used for that". We're stuck with TNN...
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    But TNN isn't a creature in the traditional sense. It doesn't promote interaction of any kind between players' non-creature spells or players' opposing creatures and it virtually bypasses the combat...
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    Oh don't get me wrong, TNN is about the fun factor, but I was told not to use that in my argument against it, so I really haven't mentioned it since.

    Make no mistake, TNN is a miserable card to...
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    Maybe. When I talked about the subjective "fun" factor of TNN much eariler, I was yelled at by virtually everyone and was told in no uncertain terms that only data/facts/figures are to be used when...
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    I don't know. From Jan-Oct 2013, Maverick was #9 for average finish and #7 for Top 8 penetration, and HSCK said that it was an absolute monster in November 2013. That doesn't sound like a dead deck...
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    But Maverick, Shardless BUG, RUG Delver and Jund are all distinctly different from each other in both color and available strategies. Patriot, Deathblade and Blade Control share a large amount of...
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    And Patriot? It went from 2.0% Top 8 penetration from Jan-Oct 2013 to 6.4% Top 8 penetration from Dec 2013-Feb 2014; that's a 4.4% gain, vaulting it from 11th to 4th. I'd certainly classify it as a...
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    I've never understood the "but it doesn't run 4 maindeck!" argument. I mean, Jund doesn't run 4 maindeck Bloodbraid Elf, the various Jace decks don't run 4 maindeck Jace, AnT doesn't run 4 maindeck...
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    Maverick lost shares too. Shardless BUG lost shares too. RUG Delver, Jund, Maverick, and Shardless BUG all saw a significant decline in Top 8 penetration and those shares were effectively replaced...
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    I strongly disagree with your assessment. If you examine the pre/post-TNN data I compared a few pages back, you can clearly see that the decks that (a.) care about TNN, but (b.) don't run it...
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    Meh, I think for integrity's sake, you include November 2013 in the sample. Whether it supports your position or not, it's valid data that falls within our parameters. It needs to be analyzed.
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    I never said it was invulnerable (TNN decks can be beaten... by other TNN decks or by decks designed to bypass TNN altogether, the statistics show this to be true), but it certainly has warped the...
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    Esper3k -

    Some time ago, I asked that very same question re: Miracles decrease in play; I believe this was back in mid January. I was told by virtually everyone on these boards that Miracles is a...
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    You do realize that the % HSCK and I have been discussing are the Top 8 penetration %, and NOT the entire Legacy meta as you keep on insisting, right?
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    I honestly give up. I started with the "unfun" argument but was quickly yelled at and told that I needed to provide statistics and data. I then provide statistics and data that very clearly...
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    I don't think that I ever argued that there was a best deck post-TNN, just that diversity has been reduced and that the meta had warped itself around TNN, in both direct and indirect ways.

    Jund...
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    So this is interesting. I focused more on the rankings and placement of decks (just like tcdecks.net does using their "Tier Decks" tool). Essentially, I did not care about what % of the Top 8 a...
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    HSCK -

    I understand you now. I'll crunch the numbers and post in a bit.
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    Of course SFM saw an uptick in play post-TNN. I mean, why would you want to play with just TNN when you can play with TNN + tutorable Equipment in allied colors?

    HSCK -

    I took the average # of...
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    Maverick rarely ran SFM. Same with Miracles. I think it's a bit of a stretch to classify Maverick and Miracles as a SFM deck when most builds ran 0 copies in their respective 75.
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    I used the same parameters as you did, but if you'd like specific numbers on anything, let me know what you want.
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    The difference between this (Jan-Oct 2013):

    1.) RUG Delver
    2.) Jund
    3.) Blade Control
    4.) Miracles
    5.) Sneak & Show
    6.) Team America
    7.) Death and Taxes
    8.) Shardless BUG
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