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This has popped up in multiple 5reads... you can just ask questions ere

Thank you for finding that! I could not for the life of me find the mistake last night.

2 Loam/2 Library worked for me in 4c Loam so I think it can work here.

The 1 DRS could be worth it, but...

New Naya Loam list from my excursions with Maverick:

Rocks(8)
4 Mox Diamonds
4 Chalice of the Void

Removal(7)
4 Punishing Fire
3 Engineered Explosives

How has everyone been doing with Loam lately?

Not a whole lot can cause discussion in this deck. The storm matchup is decent due to game 1 chalice/teeg but show and tell is still pretty not fun.

You can hold them off with...

Hey guys!

My next legacy league starts next week and I will be playing Loam again!

Hopefully we can get come chatter back in the thread....

Excavator is there so you can GSZ for a Loam effect. He is just a silver bullet utility creature, but in top deck mode/late game/when you are ahead/when you are even... he is a god.

Setting up...

I am currently working on a list that cuts red but at this point, Punishing Fire is better than the meta. I believe there can be a version that gets to play Lilliana and the combo without fires, but...

The best place to start on a list with no black would be to google Naya Loam and read the two part article over on the Salt Mine. I started from there and catered the list to my own meta. You lose...

People don’t really like deviating from winning lists. So unless you can win in a big even with your changes, you most likely will not get a positive response from the internet.

I have been...

Yeah!

I have been on the same track as Lilliana doesn’t really help in our more difficult matchups, where Additional GSZ/targets and the combo can.

But.....

You lose the ability to kill TNN...

In your current list you are sans Liliana and are playing more utility and the DD package, can you discuss?

I do it all the time!

Turn 1 chalice, turn 2 GSZ for Teeg works quite well. Games 2/3 brings in even more hate bears and other hateful permanantes in general.

In short: if they don’t win turn...

That was like two weeks ago!

And that still isn’t even an answer to the question!

I understand that I am suggesting something strange, but it is just an experiment. After seeing the response,...

Any tips or words of wisdom about our elves matchup?

Are we typically favored?

I am playing a stock 4c list with 2 charm, 1 deluge, 1 canonize side and containment priest in the side.

I...

Or you could just answer the question.

I am very clear on what the decks are and do. I am also clear on what aggro loam is and isn't.

So... what would you change in the deck if you had to...

I understand what you are saying.

What I am saying, and the source of my question, is that I am playing this deck as a more grindy version of Maverick and currently I am not playing black, which...

Where you see a version of Jund, I see a more controlling version of Punishing Maverick that is not as bad against sweepers and can play its hatebears on turn 1.

Well.... that's the question!

I am 4-1 in an 8 week league with Naya but it really depends on the meta and what you expect to face.

If you couldn't play knight of the Reliquary, what would you replace him with? What changes...

Won 2-0 against burn tonight in my league. Chalice + Goyf both games made quick work of the red meanace. I will never doubt the goyf slot again but am looking at a DRS for utility although I don't AP...

How would you feel about mainboard Blessed Alliance over Counsels Judgement? I love Judgement in slower matchups but Alliance could be just as useful against TNN while having more utility overall.
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Sorry, I mean establishing our mana base is how I prefer to beat delver and soft counter magic.

The only games I lose to delver are games where I am land lite and they get the wasteland+other...

Mana base is first and foremost how to beat delver and soft counter magic in general. If you play around daze they usually only have force and spell pierce.

I actually don't mind baiting force...

I can try to record something with my phone for the Facebook group.

This game was relatively uneventful, I can get lists if you want but he was on Grixis Delver with daze and stifle and the...