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? There have even been successful lists that have played both Stifle and Hymn together, which is even more of a "nonbo" in theory than Divert and Hymn. The impact of any potential anti-synergy is...

1. We still run a lot of lands and have Daze - I think cycling is still pretty exciting to me! Also, Angler fulfills a totally different role, and we probably shouldn't compare them. Either you...

I wonder if this is the shell for Jace, Vryn's Prodigy. We don't really have enough mana to use Snapcaster well, and flashing back Hymn seems disgusting.

Monastery Mentor is still a card, the Grixis Delver shell is weakened but not dead; I would be somewhat hesistant about overloading on Liliana. Definitely want to play some, but the old versions...

Angler is still around. Perhaps that's what we want to be running now in the flex slots where we used to run things like Tombstalker, True Name, and Bob.

I think we're back in the driver's seat now!

Is there a proactive reason to be playing the PIQ BUG lists rather than just jumping ship to Grixis? What does cutting red for green actually accomplish in a Dig-centered metagame (i.e. where...

It seems like Omnitell is probably going to become a lot more popular thanks to its strong recent results. I think our discard angle is still pretty strong, but not as good as it used to be (when...

A question for Stifle pilots: Is Divert good enough to side in purely as a defensive counterspell versus decks that don't run "obvious" Divert targets (e.g. Abrupt Decay, StP, burn spells)? I'm...

I tested Bob's list last night and it seems pretty sweet except for the Thoughtseizes, which really felt way too low impact against everything except Stoneforge Mystic decks. Has anyone tried...

The winning list and the 15th place list from Indianapolis did not run any Sylvan Library.

Yeah, seems to me that things are getting more unfair, and it's good to have multiple angles to attack those decks - I've gotten blown out by Xantid Swarm a few too many times in the past.

It...

I think there are two main points where I seem to be disagreeing with the majority of people here, and perhaps it will be good to enumerate them explicitly:

1) Even though UR and BBD's version of...

Yeah, like I said in my writeup, 3 Goyf was a mistake. I want to reiterate, though, that I think cutting a Wasteland was quite good, and I'm surprised no one else seems to be interested in the idea....

Just wanted to chime in to reinforce the points being made that BUG is far from being a suboptimal choice in the new metagame. Things have shifted a bit, but it's nothing we can't adapt to.

At...

This argument makes a lot of sense to me. I'll have to test for myself, but I can see where you're coming from here.
I think this is basically where our difference in opinion is coming from.
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Thoughtseize trading poorly against UR was one of my biggest concerns and a dealbreaker in my mind since UR Delver is so huge... Aren't all their cards more or less interchangable? It's a glorified...

btm10: Would you mind elaborating a bit on how Trygon Predator performed? It just seems like all the Stoneforge Mystic decks have plenty of removal to stop it from connecting - would Krosan Grip or...

I've been testing Dig, and it's been a mixed bag. My take on the two Delve spells after jamming loads of games are as follows:

Treasure Cruise:

advantages:

can be cast for U, so you're...

Is it really effective to play just 2 Daze, though? It's always struck me as one of those 4 or 0 cards since you really want to see them in your opener or in the first few turns. Not to mention...

Yeah, I'm curious about why the list was tuned to beat Miracles. It seems like the thing to actually metagame against should be UR and UWR Delver - against those decks, maindeck Tar Pit seems really...

Here's a question: is True Name-Nemesis any better or worse after TC? I generally have not liked it, but with edict effects and sweepers at an all time low, perhaps a mirror breaker would be good? ...

Because we run only 19-20 lands, four of which are Wastelands, and our own lands are being hit by our opponent's Wastelands in the mirror. We also set back our own land drops a lot with Daze. It...

4 is a lot of mana, especially in the Wasteland mirror... I think it's a good idea that's probably maximized in a slower BUG deck, but perhaps it is good here, too. Test it!

Have you found that Flusterstorm only targeting instants and sorceries is a problem? I imagine Jace and hardcast equipments are going to be two of our biggest targets