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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Yeah, I think you do not have the right support for Hedron Crab, and it's very bad with Hollow One anyway.
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    That's just a variation of Hogaak. That's not really the same deck anymore... no Hollow One, no 8Pimp, self-mill...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Right, and that doesn't make it uncastable, but isn't something like Thoughtseize a lot more consistent for that slot in fair matches? Or just attacking before they draw the StP/Terminus? You're...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Daze is a nonbo with City of Brass

    Bazaar Trademage is a nonbo with 13 lands and should just be Faithless Looting, Brainstorm, Lotleth Troll or Island

    I think you're just pushing too many...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Spirit Guides seem really bad. Color of mana matters more than anything.

    4x Lotus Petal, especially before any non-5c ramp.

    Stitcher's Supplier would be good with other stuff, including...
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    I think Faithless Looting is a lot better than Gamble for this strategy

    It's basically "R: Draw 2 cards. You may cast 1-2 creatures from hand without paying their mana cost." That's extremely...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Sounds like a good tweak to me. Good luck!

    Not convinced about Hogaak either (we struggle to fuel Delve without Stitcher's Supplier), but I'm pro-Faithless Looting.

    @Hanni: We're never casting...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    2 mana looks too slow for what this deck wants to do. It looks great for Pox though. That deck has been stuck attacking with vanilla bears for too long (Mishra's Factory, Nether Spirit, Bloodghast,...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    If Stain is mainly good in the combo matchup, would it work in the SB?

    It seems hard to get going against disruptive decks (e.g. blue tempo, blue midrange). You need to have a substantial board...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    T1 Chalice @ 1 shuts us down hard. Decay can't be cast off Cavern, but if we have Cavern we don't care about Chalice. (In general Cavern is a problem, so I need more lands).

    Decay also kills...
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    Decay was very strong in the BG build. It's harder with the 5c low-land version, but I think it's still worth it.

    Dredge and TES often run it too, despite low land count. The main reason is decks...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Where are you at with the maindeck now?

    I like the shift back to the old 5c madness builds we had before with Imp + Tireless Tribe. 8PImp.dec has more explosive turn 1s.

    I loved Lotleth Troll...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Interesting. It sounds like Petals are really helping to enable explosive openings.

    Without Cabal Therapy, is Bloodghast worse than Basking Rootwalla? I guess you don't have any green sources...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Looks good. How good is Lotus Petal? Without the slower 3cc stuff, most your action just costs 1 mana. Is the acceleration still worth the card disadvantage? That could be a good slot for more...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    If you're more interested in using this as a way to make UB Shadow viable with an alternate plan, Brainstorm seems really good. Stubborn Denial might be strong too, since you have even more 4-power...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Yeah Trademage just feels lacklustre here.

    Years ago I was on the Dark Ritual + Buried Alive plan to make Vengevine more explosive (backup 3x Bloodghast or 2xVengevine+1xGhast to dodge Surgical)....
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    I was able to make a viable deck out of this engine back around 2011-2013. It was very similar to Reanimator's list in the OP. The same shell is probably not viable now, with Legacy power creep. (or...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    If you're not playing Bazaar Trademage, what's wrong with the original GB Vengevine shell? Does Death's Shadow add much value?


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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Yeah that sounds like a good plan, probably more consistent than forcing Trademage.

    If you run Necrotic Ooze (easy to support with Dark Rituals), that opens up more silver bullet options for...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    I recommend the Chalice version or a Noble Hierarch for that reason. Ramp fixes that.

    Trademage is much better when its the first discard outlet. It feels really bad on turn 3 after casting turn 1...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Buried Alive seems better than Intuition, especially with Ritual acceleration. Worth testing.
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Looks fun but worse than Hogaak or Reanimator by trying to do a bit of everything while still having graveyard weaknesses.

    Especially with Putrid Imp + Reanimate, it feels bad to discard any...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Troll was really good for me in the old list when you could play DRS on turn 1 and Troll turn 2 with regeneration mana up. Turn 3 is slow. You could use Petal and play it turn 2. Also, you can hold...
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    Thanks for posting your test results.

    Gamble has always been one of my favorite Magic cards. Glad to see it has a home here. What did you cut for Gambles?
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    Re: GB Vengevine

    I can't speak for where Mr. Safety is coming from, but when I differentiated between an all-in approach and grindier approach, it was based on these distinctions:

    1) Fetchlands and basics vs...
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