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Well now that there isn't a flat way to punish people/recoup from for playing hymn/lili I think that the heavy discard will be better, besides the fact that rug does stifle better anyway

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So would this mean that the hymn version is the better version now that lili and hymn are back in contention?

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Why? If our entire plan relies on countering/surgicaling SnT, it's a back up plan. Unless we are expecting YP you are not going to board in creature hate so young pyro is just going to run rampant
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Yea it's seems like people forget that we have access to dark confidant, which is arguably better for this deck then DTT

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But that's what I was asking. Just using delver, drs and goyf, keeping it more bug w/o YP seems fine. Just bug delver with bolt and blasts

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From my understanding burg tempo ran pyromancer and was more grixis delver with drs and decay

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I saw a list from a local event that got second running 2 Usea 2 trop and 2 volc for 4 mb bolt and 3 sb reb and a forked bolt. It was pretty spice. Just wondering what yall think


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Hey all. I have the stuff to build this and the shardless version but I'm torn on which I should play. We only get one legacy tourny a month here so I can't get consistent practice. My meta is pretty...

Divert is for decks with removal, specifically decay.

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Thanks for all the quick responses. So from the looks of it il take out the flusterstorm and divert for golgari charm and either another envelop or a dread of night

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The 2 needles was a last minute choice and it will probably be the split in the next tournament. My meta is somewhat miricles heavy I usualy play 1-2 miricles decks in a 5 round event so I feel I...

Hey all. I just started playing this deck coming from jund and elves and I love it. I am still a bit iffy on boarding. Here is my list, sorry it's on my phone so it's going to be abreviated.

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Wouldn't naming human solve most problems? With that out; mom, magnara and thalia are dead cards to them. It does kill our unflipped delvers and bobs, if you play them, but it does seem to be worth...

Is E. Plague worth concidering if you want tech for DnT and elves? Or is it to slow for both?

Ok, I asked this in the shardless thread and I will ask in this one as well. Has anyone put anymore thought into the counter/top engine in this deck? It seems like locking someone out of the game and...