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NO is a 4-mana 3-off. This is not a combo deck. For better or worse, it's an aggro-control to midrange deck that can combo against other fair decks, to go over-the-top of even midrangier decks or to...

I've been mostly out of Legacy for quite a while, but perusing the last few months, Natural Order + Oko is the first thing I wanted to try. (sNOko, in my notes...)

Bant has always been one of the...

Yea, this is definitely the point where having not played in a year makes the evaluation more difficult: I don't take that deck very seriously :)

That's awesome - I'd love to see that.
I haven't played in over a year, but have been poking around since the bannings, and initially put NO Bant together as my Knight-deck combo of choice. I'm...

I find Bant w/ combo to have a pretty good DnT match-up, as long as you can cast NO.
FWIW.

Random thoughts:
- Knight is really interesting because it was made worse by lots of TNN (which leans on the ramping of DRS), Decay (which leans on colors/fixing from DRS), DRS the land-remover, and...

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(I haven't played magic in like a year. And maybe Zenith Bant is terrible. But at least it's not obviously outclassed for acceleration? And 3-drops aren't public domain? And Retreat to...

I briefly responded in the BSR thread - the Bant thread has remained fairly streamlined.

Excerpted from Bant thread



Here're quick thoughts:
- Knight is a bit poorly positioned, since everything but RUG can kill her at a reasonable tempo cost to you, and she's pretty much your...

I made a dedicated thread when first playing it, and have updated occasionally.

Edit: Here're quick thoughts:
- Knight is a bit poorly positioned, since everything but RUG can kill her at a...

This (fine) definition shows the reason you're wrong: basics make things harder to cast because they give you less versatility and increase the odds that you draw color-screwed.

I'd say it's hard...

If you are in topdeck mode, it's rare that you don't have a fetch for Arbor up.

But, I guess Progenitus and the 2 Hierarchs aren't great? I'm not sure that's too damning.

Tonight I played Natural Order and went 4-0. I don't think I particularly recommend it. Dropping white is probably easier on the manabase, and Knight gets killed a lot. But, the list was probably...

Definitely too slow for your main line of disruption, but it's excellent as a (functional) T3-4 hate bear that, with instant-speed access to Bog or Karakas, puts the game away.

I would say that...

The Lotus list is mine. And I'm not sure which column this goes in, but the T8 seemed pretty non-representative: walking around, there were tons of fair decks in the room. So although combo seemed to...

I'm trying to keep this vague but clear enough; forgive any ambiguity. I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, but this has left a bad taste in my mouth, and I'd like to know how this sort of thing...

Sure, TNN is strong at dodging things that Knight struggles with.

Overall, as I think about where I want to be, I love the idea of midrange-combo for the reasons mentioned, and Retreat and Natural...

Miracles was definitely not a great match-up, and it could help. If Decay drops and Push takes its place, that does give Knight more play as well. Moreover, there seem to be 2 categories of decks...

I have played around with many NO xUG variants in the past, and think NO may currently be better positioned than it has been in a while, and that BUG is better positioned than it ever has been as a...

Basics are definitely viable and not-too-greedy in non-wasteland, non-hymn lists. The color requirements here are not as severe as in Shardless: you don't need the 3rd(/4th) colors as early or often...

Glad there's a thread. There has been some other discussion in the Team America Midrange/Control thread, but these lists have been much closer than others in that thread.

Also may want to...

I played waste-less this weekend at a small, casual (11) event and lost in T4 (got a Karakas):

4 U Sea
2 Trop
2 Bayou
10 Fetch

4 DRS
3 Strix
3 SCM

I agree that 2 basics isn't beating Blood Moon and more duals avoids some awkward land configurations, but 2 basics doesn't contribute nothing. The deck has a higher curve than many other fair decks...

In Mengucci's article, he says:



I'm curious, in 3-color lists, about the relative value of playing 3 or so Wastelands over more spells (probably just playing 18 fetch/dual/basic lands). ...

After playing with some different mana configurations, it's clear that it does punish the mana-base more than I'd originally thought. Badlands is not great, and Catacombs can't fetch Volcanic, which...