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There is already a template, established early on in the deck's history (maybe even first?) for a blue-based/Force of Will version of manaless dredge. I don't know if it's worth playing, mostly...

If I were to go into a legacy tournament tomorrow, this is definitely the deck I would bring. I think there is a strong argument for Creeping Chill + Hogaak beats as a focus, simply because Stifle...

The low-hanging fruit is Stifle, which completely hoses all of those win conditions save Syr Konrad, and honestly there may not be any other reasons. I think the more appropriate comparison would be...

So I was looking at this card, and it seems so close to being playable, and I would love if it could do something:

Tormod, the Desecrator

It's a free trigger (we love that), it rewards us for...

That makes sense, thanks for the response. I figure the decks where I want to keep the combo in are: Storm, Depths, Burn, Dredge, Doomsday. The decks I would board it out are: Delver, 4c/Stryfo,...

I think it's fine g1, because you are almost always going to be getting your first dredge engine moving g1. After that it's a simple matter of getting a free dude at some point, as long as you have a...

Thanks for the response, it will help me decide how to get different configurations together for testing.

I saw the Vine Dryad list...I'm skeptical. It's a free creature, but only if you already...

Some noobie questions:

1) Is Noxious Revival worth exploring? It's green for FoV and there is anti-Surgical/Faerie value.
2) Are there distinct lists if a specific card is included? Examples are...

Yes, I know the reliable count is a minimum of 16. This deck doesn't really follow standard conventions, so being a little risky with Forces is par for the course. However, I think I'm going to drop...

Sleaved this up and I am *addicted*. This is an incredibly cool deck. I opted for zero Hogaak for now because I wanted to squeeze in Chancellors. This is my starting list:

4x golgari grave-troll...

Yeah I'm sold on Hogaak x2, regardless. I just think the strategy of Chancellor + Dread Return could really put a lot of pressure on opponents, giving time to enact the beatdown plan. I was thinking...

What do you think about this list? The differences are Chancellor of the Annex and Creeping Chill. I really like the idea of Chancellor, but there is no way I would cut Once Upon a Time (which is not...

Cool, thanks for the fast reply. I'll play it out the way you described. I'll get some additional FoN's when I get the chance.

Awesome, thanks! With Surgical being the most common sideboard hate I think the 1-of Misdirection will be ok until I get something else (Shoal/more FoN.)

Just so I'm clear, this is what you...

I just picked up the last few cards to build this deck, here is where I was going to start. Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated!

4x Stinkweed Imp
4x Golgari Grave Troll
4x Golgari Thug...

Without any experience with manaless, I didn't realize the Whirlpool creatures do the same but better. I was just thinking that DR > Balustrade Spy might not happen often enough to make it reliable...

Isn't Balustrade Spy + Thassa's Oracle pretty good for this deck? I'm also curious if Bazaar Trademage could be a DR target that supercharges dredging and also feeds the Force of Will/Negation...

Considering the misery most of us experience when playing against the slow grind of Miracles I feel this is poetic justice. I'm of the same mindset: I love fringe decks and anything home-brewed, to...

We're not done yet...still room for more common/uncommon green dredgers. We just got a dredge Shatter spoiled, it wouldn't be unreasonable to get something playable.

Except Priest has flash and is usually cast on your turn in response to Dread Return or Narcomoeba/Ichorid triggers...

Just throwing this out there: would Land Grant be a card we would ever play?

A full set of Shambling Shell at a minimum is needed alongside the GGT's. Golgari Brownscale is a pretty weak dredger, so that one is pretty much out. Greater Mossdog is really all that's left. If we...

Isn't this exactly what the deck needed to fight Leyline of the Void? I think it's safe to say this should be a 4-of in every Manaless sideboard.

Maindeck Forces? How many were you playing?

Does anyone recommend Sphinx of Foresight? Only good with maindeck Force of Will?