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4 Cabal Therapy
4 Once Upon a Time
4 Bridge from Below

1 Flayer of the Hatebound
3 Balustrade Spy
4 Dread Return

4 Golgari Thug
4 Golgari Grave-Troll

I'm not 100% I'm using it right, but I've been using it mainly to get my third creature for DR and occasionally to get a second color pip to convoke gaak. It also pitches to FoV and can be sac...

Just a casual observer of the deck and occasional player, here are my thoughts on the above (in other words, noobie answers, ha!):

1) Here are the benefits i see from Noxious Revival: puts dredger...

Another option for winning after deck flipping, and can be dread returned:
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Another possible toy in the set:

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Ayara, First of Lockthwain. BBB. Elf Noble.
Whenever ~ or another black...

I thought the fow might be an argument in keeping them, but between the amalgrams, narcos, and the riders, you were at 10 non-fow blue cards. I don't do math that well but that seemed like enough to...

I run a fearless version currently (have dabbled with horde mode in the past) and I say for 4 probes or 0. it does you no good in your deck once the dredging starts so you need it in your opening...

I agree 100%.

BUT, overrunning with the horde sounds fun too. I'm going to run with that for a bit and just see where it takes me.

I'll give Kelpie a shot, despite being skeptical. Dumb as it sounds, I'm generally trying to avoid a combo finish just to have some diversity in my decks (my other combo decks are faster anyway).
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Good catch, thanks.

Maybe this is a dumb question, but why would Kelpie be run over a Griselbrand?

I can certainly give it a shot and see how it feels. I wasn't a huge fan of the drakes/riders when I tested them, but maybe kelpie works better. I envision I could DR it, triggers itself, dredge...

You are correct, technically not manaless, but i say that since I just use it to pay "taxes", it still counts. That's how i sleep at night :)

//dredgers
4 Golgari Grave-troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
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My bad. I thought the kelpie was a fresh topic vs continuation of the existing one and you were working it into your above list.

I had tried whirlpool rider/drake in the main and I didn't care for...

The reason to play kelpie would, from what I can tell in the list you gave, act as an additional spy/draw engine to get to your combo. But you aren't even running 4 spys in your list, so why wouldn't...

I'm sure its different for the variations of the deck, but I feel if i switch to the rider in my particular build (horde mode) it slows me down at least a turn with the lone exception of spot removal...

Yep, saw that after Amalgram came out. Its a fun build to play for sure. I was just seeing if there was a more casual, more multi player version with other, non-standard creatures (myriad, etc), or...

It may be helpful to post your decklist so we know what you are working with.




Changing topics, is this the place to vary a bit into making this a more multiplayer type deck?
I've been...