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That is a lot of blue. :D Why Whirlpool Warrior over Rider and Drake? I personally think that the 2 mana of Rider for Disrupting Shoal is probably relevant more often, but I could be wrong.

You...

I think that Rootwalla mostly depends on Phantasmagorian, while Vine Dryad doesn't, so there is some value in that. I do think that the green count is important for Force of Vigor, and I am trying...

On another note, Raffaele Farina put up 2 good results with Manaless at the beginning of this year. Nothing got mentioned in this thread at the time. He was running Vine Dryads and Once Upon a...

While it may be too slow if that were the only reason we were playing it, the Bloodghasts make it pretty worth it. If you hit 2+ Bloodghasts early, then you have access to 1 mana to pay for a hasty...

Yeah, I goldfished a couple of games, and I did miss the Narcomoebas. I think that 4 of those and 3 Ashen Ghouls is probably a good place to start. I don't think having more Ashen Ghouls than...

Interesting idea. Also, if we remove Therapy, then Narcomoeba becomes pretty bad. I wonder if those slots could be better used. We already have Nether Shadow, Ichorid, Silversmote Ghoul, and...

I started looking through scryfall for options. I don't know though. I think the near-automatic win from the combo is tough to move away from. Your post did inspire an idea though (also moving...

I am not sure I agree about Phantasmagorian, but I think that it may just be a personal bias - I love that card. 3 copies may well be enough. I will run this list the next time I test (likely...

That list looks pretty good. You summed up my ideas also. I was sitting at the table looking at the cards trying to figure out which to cut, and SW ended up on the chopping block. Then it was a...

It is hard to cut cards to make the package fit, but I think that Chill+Ghoul is a bit better than the Bloodghast plan, mostly because we do not need to waste our dredge on the land.

I have been...

That is a fair point. So, a list like this:

2 Shambling Shell
4 Golgari Thug
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Golgari Grave Troll

4 Narcomoeba
4 Nether Shadow
4 Ichorid

I don't think it is worth it, but I suppose it is worth testing.

They both enter the battlefield tapped.
PA is a 3/3. SG is a 3/1.
There is way to take advantage of SG's activated ability in...

The first game action we take will show what we are on. We will, hopefully, move to discard, then discard a dredger. If we have OUAT, I think we can use it before we discard. The problem is that,...

Containment Priest dodges Force of Despair, so that is something to consider.

With Hogaak, would Prime Speaker Zegana be a better UG DR target on average, from your playtesting?

Great write-up! Thanks!

CT does two/three big things for the list (sac a creature and clear the path for DR/slow our opponent down), and it doesn't matter whether we mill it or it is in our opening hand (since we can...

Scott, what matches did you bring in Serum Powder for, and how did it work out? How about the second Gigapede?

GunofMercy's 5-0 League deck here: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/legacy-league-2019-07-13

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3 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Golgari...

I like the idea of thinking in terms of the 75 and not 60 + 15, though I don't do it very well yet.

One thing I realized when I talked about removing Dread Return is that we do lose the ability to...

That is an interesting take. I suppose the Serum Powders may be good enough to replace the Shambling Shells, but I am not sure. The reason I would play Shambling Shell over Serum Powder is that...

His list is 60. It says 48 creatures + 4 sorceries + 4 enchantments, but the Creeping Chills are mixed in with the creatures, and there are 52 cards listed in that section. He does not have Therapy...

Disrupting Shoal is better than Force of Negation when against Containment Priest, so that is something to keep in mind.

Also, thanks for the list, kombatkiwi.

Orin67 had a list over on reddit with some Dryad Arbors and Whirlpool Riders.

I feel like Griselbrand is better than Whirlpool Rider if we are not in blue. Is our life total a big enough deal? I...

I don't know if I would go above 2 Hogaak. It is legendary, so we can only use one at a time. It requires a bit of investment on our part compared to other creatures we run. It also turns on our...