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I specifically avoided probes actually. The reason for this is between 4 ponder 4 brainstorm and 3 treasure cruise, you will start cantripping into cantrips. I wanted a few more "real" cards in my...

So while everyone here was in a fuss about howling mandrills, myself included, I decided to test out treasure cruise. The card is really really good, from my limited testing. The problem is I had to...

Stifle waste daze are very very important I wouldn't play without them. Each one makes the other better.
I don't think the deck would work without it. I'm not familiar with the 14 land list however

I think mandrills is playable perhaps even good. Why don't we compare what match ups each is better in?

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Mandrills, a 4/4 beats a 3/3 pretty simple, if I'm aware I'm playing them I...

He plays well with probe, and even pretty well with thought scour given it's a spell that doesn't cost you a card.
1-2 pyromancer can fill those 12th and 13th creature slots, if you're on the...

You would need a chalice on 6 to stop howling mondrells. So no they aren't effected equally

Given that we are talking about delve cards, does anyone think ether of the 2 new delve draw spells are worth it here?
Once again they conflict pretty hard with mongoose, but 1 mana draw 3's are...

The good thing about him is he allows us to push the aggro role better. You can realistically cast him before turn 3 if you need to 2 turns before goose is threshed normally and he very effectively...

No more so then goyf or goose. In fact against grave hate I would say this is better because once it's down you don't care about grave hate anymore.

I could see howling mongrel see play but the biggest issue I have is that it is so anti-synergistic with goose. Often goose is not threshed till 4 or 5 and if you delve 4-5 cards out of the grave to...

Have you noticed the difference between 4 and 3 goose or does TNN fill that slot adequately enough

I've been rocking 1 TNN in the main for about a 2 months and have had very few issues with the mana cost, with just 2 cards that have cmc 3 I don't imagine it would be a problem. Some post board...

8 bolts + library is fine as a plan because against miracles and other slow decks you can just become a burn deck.
As far as the rest of the deck, it seems fine in a big fan of at least one more...

Feel free to test him, I'd be interested to see how that turns out.

I've been playing 1 TNN main and another side and they are amazing when you get someone down to 6 or 9 life and just can't finish the game. Additionally by just playing 1-1 you don't tend to expose...

If I was running chain I would leave it in. Forked bolt however I don't think is good enough

Well yea but the format pretty much loses to double flipped delver.

Even 4 TNN vial and cavern could beat really anything we have going on. I've played it a few times and really all you can do is force the vial and hope they get mana screwed.

8TNN.dec is rough. I just consider that match an auto loss and move on. You can't counter TNN or deal with it and they play a lot of them.

I side in all my dudes, TNN clique and if I have it that week sulfur elemental, red blasts and Krosan grip
I side out daze (both on the play and the draw) and forked bolt.

My goal is to always...

I'm currently on 1/1 and a Krosan grip (for miracles) and I agree I would never really want more then 3 total.

Artifact mutation randomly blows games open in the match up. Cool platinum emperion I'll just have 8 tokens. It even works on blightsteel. Sure they keep the dude but you get 12 power on board and...

If you were worried about them shrinking lord ape you could always play skyshroud elite. 1/1 gets +1/+2 if opponent controls a nonbasic

Scooze and green sun seem beyond terrible, they seem very slow in a deck with 18 land/ and typically only 1 green source in play.

Lavamancer seems fine but I like rough tumble to help me catch up...

I'll see if I can get a friend to grid a dozen games or so tonight and see if ancient grudge is better then mutation.