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  1. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    Probably worse than iona in most or all matchups and I even think that Iona isn't necessary or stock in LED Dredge anyways. In matchups where it might be better than Iona, you also have to think...
  2. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    You can kind of do the math for the number of lands. Your best hands have either 1 or 2 lands, 13 lands give you the best odds to have such a number in your opening 7, something like 66%. These...
  3. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    So dredge top8ed mkm rome, eternal weekend paris and now gp birmingham. That should be all big European legacy tournaments this year. Probably just some weird variance. A little bit unfortunate that...
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    Hey Unlif3, congrats on your top 8!

    I saw your match vs mengucci and I think that Leyline of the void might be pretty good right now. Reanimator got more popular. What did you cut for it? Do you...
  5. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    I think that dredge is probably the most underrated deck in legacy right now. My list performs very well vs all the popular fair decks. Even though dredge is inconsistent, you will still win most of...
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    They will probably keep in all glimpses and Natural orders, so it may be risky to skip a turn.
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    This is pretty hard to answer, because we don't know, which decks they are playing and how many cages they board in. If they are playing blue or also have a scary combo, boarding in answers for cage...
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    I didn't build my list to beat B/R Reaninator. I don't think that it is worth it to dedicate slots vs them. If you really want to beat them, you can consider cutting gravestones for faerie macabre or...
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    Well, to be fair, it all started with this awesome report: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?32023-PImpin-on-the-Street-5th-Place-10-1-Legacy-Challenge
    At first, I just wanted to...
  10. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    Nice Report! I also played 2 leagues with your list today and both were a 4-1, losing to eldrazi both times. I really like it, which is not surprising, considering that our lists are very similar.
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    Re: [Primer] Dredge

    I only board in silent gravestone vs miracles and pile to stop surgical snap surgical.
    Against grixis delver I'm much more worried about getting dazed/forced and wastelanded out of the game and...
  12. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    Street wraith also alows some lines that are very good vs countermagic. Not only ddd, but imagine a hand of LED, coliseum, wraith + dredger. It doesn't matter if you are on the play or on the draw,...
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    You are absolutely right about PImp. It feels good when your hand has LED PImp and Coliseum and you see a flusterstorm after it is already too late. Other reasons are:
    Another creature that flashes...
  14. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    I would cut the collective brutalities and keep the street wraiths.
    I would of course recommend my list, which I tuned to beat the fair Drs decks of the meta and it has been pretty good at doing...
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    Oops. But you can easily therapy is if they don't have a chalice out. Don't know why I forgot that, but in my experience, I could often just bring back ichorids every turn to make zombies. I guess...
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    Game 1 is very favorable, because they can't remove bridges and chalice on 1 sometimes doesn't do anything (breakthrough, led + coliseum). We also have a good chance to win by slow dredging after...
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    Yeah, I might be wrong and I just got lucky that one game where I surgicaled depths as grixis delver. I'm not an expert for fair blue. But when everyone has at least 2 surgicals in their sideboard,...
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    Blue decks like to surgical dark depths after they wasteland it or edict/swords marit lage. Caseyc even has a ground seal in the sideboard for that reason I think. Surgical is just very good right...
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    I don't think so because dredge is still less popular than turbo depths, b/r reanimator and lands. But snapcaster decks might start to keep in some artifact removal.
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    I haven't played vs non-combo shardless decks much, but I don't think that shutting down only drs is worth it, especially if they have many free counters, wasteland and a fast clock. Gravestone is...
  21. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    Hey, nice to see that someone wants to bring dredge to bigger tournaments!
    Your list looks good, Eruxus had much success online with it, he almost got into top 8 of the last challenge with it.
    For...
  22. Thread: [Primer] Dredge

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    I think that it is fine to board dread return and gravestone in. You should be favored when you resolve gravestone so that you don't need dread return and it is not too bad to have 2 dead cards in...
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    I like to cut some Putrid Imps when I board in firestorms because they both only work as a discard outlet and having 8 of that effect seems too many. But it both are probably your best turn 1 play vs...
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    Oh, oops. Yeah, they are basically the same decks for us anyways.
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    Re: [Primer] Dredge

    Against aluren, I board like against every other blue drs deck. They try to disrupt our engine with flusterstorm, force, drs and other graveyard hate. We should be able to disrupt their combo with...
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