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  1. Thread: How Humility Works

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    ETB triggers, like most triggers, check whether they triggered after the event. Since Humility is in play at that point, its static ability is already in effect.

    Leaves-the-battlefield triggers...
  2. Thread: How Humility Works

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    As you can see, Maga has two abilities - an as-ETB and a when-ETB. As-ETB happens before it enters the battlefield, so Humility is not affecting it at that time. When-ETB happens after it enters the...
  3. Thread: How Humility Works

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    True. P/T adding is after P/T setting, ability adding/removing is the same layer.

    More specifically, it's whether the Batterskull was equipped before or after Humility - when you equip the...
  4. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Exactly - when effects are in the same layer it goes to timestamps.

    The reverting is not an ability of the permanent, but rather a duration on the activated ability ("until end of turn"). Effects...
  5. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Layers and timestamps.

    1) Both effects want to make it a 1/1, so it's a 1/1. The ability-adding effect has a later timestamp than the ability-removing effect (ability-adding and ability-removing...
  6. Thread: How Humility Works

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    As Koby said, "leaves the battlefield" or "dies" triggers are a little special since they happen from the source zone - zone-change triggers normally trigger from the destination zone (603.6d).
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  7. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Blightsteel Colossus has a replacement effect ("if ... instead"). Replacement effects need to exist before the event they're replacing; since Blightsteel does not have the ability on the battlefield,...
  8. Thread: How Humility Works

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    You showed them the rule? A level 2 judge ought to be able to explain why he disagrees with you regarding the rules.

    http://yawgatog.com/resources/magic-rules/#R6133

    I guess you could ask in...
  9. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Yes, just like any other +1/+0 effect.
  10. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Correct.
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    Again, there are two parts to it - the ability triggering, and the ability being put on the stack. They are not the same thing.

    An ability will trigger when its condition is met (like something...
  12. Thread: How Humility Works

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    You quoted an explanation of the right rule (there are no rulings, only rules, despite what Gatherer still calls them), but you are not correct.

    Hypergenesis
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    Hypergenesis is green....
  13. Thread: How Humility Works

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    If it wasn't right, it would be corrected and/or deleted within a day.
  14. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Tabernacle is an ability-adding effect and Humility is an ability-removing effect, both of which apply in layer 6. Since they're in the same layer, the order they're applied is based on timestamps.
  15. Thread: How Humility Works

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    702.71a. Evoke represents two abilities: a static ability that functions in any zone from which the card with evoke can be cast and a triggered ability that functions on the battlefield. "Evoke...
  16. Thread: How Humility Works

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    It's not rocket surgery. Read the card. His ability creates an effect, it doesn't give him an ability. Humility removes abilities.

    The answer for Celestial Colonande is the same as any manland.
  17. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Continuous effects are applied just before Kederekt Leviathan's ETB would trigger. At that point, Humility is also in play, so there's no trigger.


    603.6d. Normally, objects that exist...
  18. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Figure of Destiny has no abilities if Humility is in play. There's nothing to activate. The only reason you can activate Nantuko Monastery with Humility in play is that Monastery is not a creature.
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  19. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Do you understand what layers are? Do you understand what layers type-changing, color-changing, and ability-removing effects are applied in?
  20. Thread: How Humility Works

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    He quoted the answer and then said the opposite, an updated first post isn't going to help much with that.
  21. Thread: How Humility Works

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    You are right. The key thing is that Progenitus has a static ability that creates a replacement effect, so it has to have that ability for the replacement effect to apply when it changes zones.

    If...
  22. Thread: How Humility Works

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    1) No. The ability triggers in play, and it has no abilities in play.

    2) No, again.

    3) No. "Leaves play" triggers trigger from in play, just like "comes into play". It "just dies".

    4a) No....
  23. Thread: How Humility Works

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    Well, you know that Humility's effect is layer 5 ("other").

    What's Wonder's effect? Not copy, control, text-changing, type-changing, or power/toughness affecting - so also layer 5.

    Is there a...
  24. Thread: How Humility Works

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    I'm sure you think you're funny, but to actually answer:

    Relentless Rats's ability applies to deck construction. By the time Humility's effect could apply to it, it's beyond irrelevant.
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  25. Thread: How Humility Works

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    You are not right, unfortunately. All continuous effects are applied to everything all at once, layer by layer. Humility removes Magus of the Moon's ability, but by the time it removes it, it has...
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