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That makes sense. Okay will try cutting a Surrak and a Gearhulk to play the 4th Traxos and a Sylvan Library. Trinisphere is a decent option too.

Yeah, Oasis and Grove seem like solid options. It sucks to make more of your forests vulnerable to Wasteland/Blood Moon. It's going to suck to lose to your only green source getting Wastelanded/Blood...

The main issue with TKS is that it requires a colorless mana source. This deck only plays 8 such sources. Once upon a time helps a little bit in this regard but it's still too inconsistent. With some...

Youre right. Once upon a time is an amazing addition to the deck. It and Questing Beast are solid pickups.

Perhaps a list like this...

1 Okina, Temple to the Grandfathers
9 Forest
4 City of...

Questing Beast and Shifting Ceratops make me want to dust of this deck/strategy again.

Thats great.

I am really tempted to cut chrome mox from the deck. Its a horrible topdeck and I really hate pitching a card to it. It makes it so I end up with no cards in my hand by turn two way...

Nice. That list looks awesome.

The inconsistent manabase is the only issue Im having with my current list. Other than the manabase issues, Ive been loving everything else. Im curious to know if...

I would love to see your list.

50-50 versus top tier legacy decks is pretty good for a deck that just started development this month and has more optimization needed.

I could see a...

I feel very good about the current maindeck. I want to turn the attention now to the sideboard.

What are some autoincludes in the board?

Prowling Serpoprad - A singleton GSZ target that...

So are you guys also playing Lodestone in Trinisphere lists. I am but it sounds like most people are cutting them when they switched back to Trinisphere instead of Thorn.

How big do the Karn...

Yeah Rhonas is pretty bad. It makes sense as a one of in a build with GSZ but that’s about it.

That list sounds interesting. Im assuming you are also playing a Progenitus along with a Ghalta as...

Birds and Poron, which Planeswalker do you think is the strongest in your builds. Im thinking about picking up some Vivian Reeds to try in the deck since it seems to be the most powerful.

Gearhulk is great but Wurmcoil Engine is just as good, and the deck only has room for one giant stupid beater, so lets compare the two.

Gearhulk dies to most removal. Wurmcoil poops out two...

Ghalta Primal Hunger is fat and green and tramples. You need a Surrak in play for it to have haste.

However the best thing about it is that it can easily be hardcast if you topdeck it. A single...

30 is too many I agree. But with all the discard, removal and countermagic in the format, going too low can be dangerous too.

The utility creatures that pair with GSZ are essentially spells, not...

Poron,
I remember you were trying to make TKS work. I dont think Mox Opal and Darksteel Citadel is the way to do it (the deck cant support either card).

However 4 Hashep Oasis may provide a key...

Thats a cool looking list.

Do you feel your list plays enough low cost permanents to get a significant advantage from Tangle Wire? Especially since it doesnt play Choke.

The planeswalkers all...

Karn is a cool idea (so was Wurmcoil). The problem is finding room for them.

What does your list look like Birds of Paradise?

Those are fair points. It might make sense to explore a build with 4 chalice, 4 mox, 4 thorn, 1 sylvan library and everything else is a creature as poron suggested.

Personally, I think GSZ is...

I realized that I almost never end up Zenithing Eternal Witness so that will be a flex slot as well.

Here is the test build I propose to figure out which three creatures we end up Zenithing for...

Your list looks tight Poron. No room to cut anything. I love the Thorn + Lodestone idea. I dont think you need Tangle Wire.

How consistent has the list been for you?

Thats the main concern I...

Thats a solid suggestion.

It’s legendary so it feeds Traxos.

Even if they bounce it with Karakas, you can add 4 counters to Lodestone or any other non legendary creature every bounce.

Good idea Poron.

I like Thrun far more than Blastoderm. Fading 3 is a big con on a non haste non trampler .

A 1x Thrun maindeck and maybe a 1x Ezuri’s Brigade (just because he is so big) would...

I like NO targets that are also easily hardcastable if you draw them.

This is why I like Ghalta, Primal Hunger.

I like Elderscale Wurm for this same reason. Burn and lots of aggro decks have no...

The deck already plays...
4 Lodestone Golem
2 Trinisphere
2 Choke

Postboard can also get you NO into Terastadon.

If thats not enough, a 1 of Acidic Slime is a decent option.
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