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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Dont hesitate to just draw and play your dredger. To avoid getting blown out by street wraith, he may not activate drs on it to wait for narco/icho.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I'm not making any ad hominem. But if you cannot beat this deck, you should consider that either your list or your plays are wrong (to beat this deck).
    You speak about loading up on dudes, which...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    on the MD I would replace the fourth amalgam by the first shadow.
    On the SB, I like to play a package with different hates, like 2 macabres, 2 SE, 1 noxious. I would cut the fourth Shoal, it is a...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I do not know what you do wrong, but you surely should pile up missplays to have played the MU a ton and found it to be terrible.

    I played against it quite a bit, and found it even to slightly...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I do not know if you are trolling or simply do not understand the MU. FoW is stellar in the MU, as:
    - in more than 2/3 of the cases, Br rea does not have cota protection and fow is golden;
    - in the...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    To complete the previous post, here is the list Julien piloted, the same exact 75 he ran in Paris (in fact he didn't play in between the two journeys): ...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Why do you remove so often ichorid? It is an important card, and the best one to produce bridge tokens in blocked board positions. I would remove prized amalgam before ichorid any day.

    Also I...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Whirlpool says exactly the same, but without needing to have a progenitus in your deck. I have reanimated him hundreds of times, and never lost a game where reanimating spy would have won. I won some...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I understand that spy and griselbrand can be pitched to ichorid, but fail to understand how that this make them so much better that it overcome their terrible drawbacks. Griselbrand is not that hot...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    River kelpie was played before FoW. I would still run a blue target without FoW, most probably whirlpool drake. It instantly wins the game. What black target can beat the whirlpools?



    Forget...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I have played storm and I have played against storm more than a couple of time with manaless.
    FoW is an excellent card. It is by no means a bullet-proof solution, but needing to play a discard quite...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I would be more comfortable here by just discard at cleanup and having a fow to save me from whatever my opponent has which is really threatening. Best thing is to win with fow & pitch in hand. ...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I still think you are dead wrong about writing 14 dredgers. It is 12 dredgers and 2 shambling shells. But I fully disagree that shell reduces mulligan that much as I tried shell, and with it as the...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I disagree that it is actually redundancy. I never saw "dredge 4-6" written on it.
    Going on with only shell remaining (otherwise it is irrelevant) against an active DRS is not a winning strategy....
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I believe it is wrong to consider all the cards with the keyword "dredge" written on them together. Writing 13 like that, and knowing you absolutely need one in your opener, it seems that running 14...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    When did painter became the DTB?
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I didn't say that I would mulligan a hand because it had only shell as a dredger. I said it should be considered. On a six-hands mulligan, you'll have a 60% chance to find either troll or imp, and so...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Hello,

    You definitely can mulligan. But every mulligan will slow you down by a full turn, so it is rarely worth it when you have a dredger in hand (if you play shambling shell and it is your only...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Yes, I consider that when turn one you cast 2 cabal therapies and have a full gy, you won T1, even if it takes four turns before your opponent eventually scoop or is put at 0 lifes. Doesn't it make...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Not completely accurate. LED dredge is much faster, not the opposite. And games tend not to be short, last tournament I took the deck in (last week), I went to time in two rounds out of 6, winning in...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    It goes on both sides.
    - Cabal Therapy targeting you?
    - Resolves.
    - Leyline of the void.
    - You got me!
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Yes, it is true that people often misplay against us. I played the deck last week, finishing at 5-1, and in two of my wins I saw what my opponent should have been doing and was not doing that could...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Yes, this include mulligans. Otherwise, classic hypergeometric function.
    When you open a 7 without your leyline vs manaless dredge, you know that you have a 77.5 % to find it by mulliganing, and...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    There is that, and that mostly sums it up.
    Also, think that if you manage to hit both manasource and claim/silent, what are the odds you win the game with the double timewalk you just put upon...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Well, about the only difference between spy and w.rider is if you prefer to have a pitch for ichorid or a pitch for shoal-Fow. I do not see where it makes a huge difference when it comes down to...
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