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Unless you go the full chant/abeance/scepter route, I don't think that we can make the deck good enough to beat reliably beat combo. Yet, I don't really like such cards in general, because it takes...

Unfortunately I have not tested against countertop. Originally when constructing this deck I expected a meta without counterbalance, which is one of the reasons why I think that this deck can be...

This is true that less snow permanents makes sheets less effective, although I don't see it as a huge issue. If you notice I'm running less lands than most of the lists in this thread, 20 mana lands...

I don't normally like to do two posts in a row, but I was able to do some actual testing with the deck. So, I have some more thoughts and some list tweaks. First, my updated list:


// Lands
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First off, thanks for the responses, I appreciate it.



As I had mentioned earlier, I think that because the curve is less than many other control decks that running more land isn't really...

Well, I've loved mono-white forever and used to play my own version of Quinn quite a bit back. I think that right now mono-white is actually a strategy to be pretty competitive, if metagamed to the...

Yes, getting your lands blown away is horrible for this deck, but how many matches do you think that threat will really be relevant? Sure, it's there, but I don't think it's a relevant concern with...

1) Against combo ethersworn canonist is simply better than rule of law. Not only does it cost 1 less, it gives you a clock and cannot be duressed out of your hand. I almost don't think that combo...

I agree with pak. I think that the cantrip ability (as well as the effect to shut down abilities for a turn) is way more relevant than the cheaper cost of silence. Blue decks usually aren't that...

Abeyances are "chants" 5-6/7. THey can't do everything chant does, but they're main purprose is not for scepter. Their main purposes are:

1) Hurt combo
2) Protect painter/stone combo from...

Honestly, do we? :P

Makes sense. See, I've been trying to trade for wraths (Since it's a staple that everybody should have, right? :P) and haven't been playing with them. I've been playing with ensnaring bridges for...

As I prepare this Saturday for a decent sized tournament, I've been preparing the following list (I've bolded things that may be of interest):

// Lands (22)
18 [CS] Snow-Covered Plains
4...

I'll pretend like that wasn't a serious answer :P

Though, my question was indeed serious. I may have resources to run multiple, but I want to know what would be ideal first.

So, in a perfect world where moats are released in M11 and don't cost $100, how do you think would be the ideal number to run?

I feel that multiple moats is definitely better than 1, though 4...

Well, I really don't think that humility necessarily deserves a spot in this deck. In all other decks that people are comparing it to, they actually have creatures that can be used to jump block...

I feel like 2 argivian finds would be too much. Perhaps post board it's more useful, but a lot of times you're going to find that you don't have things in your graveyard and the find turns into a...

[Notice: I haven't actually played the burn matchup, but these are my thoughts on it]
Well, preboard it's not great. About the only thing relevant is runed halo, and you can just try and guess what...

My thoughts on open the vaults is that it would be useful to overwhelm control. IE, they counter an O-ring, destroy a halo, then you play vaults to get yourself some card advantage, which makes it...

Paying 4 for a land from sheets is so different different, because

1) You're not trying to dig for land number three off sheets. You already have it.
2) Likewise sheets + plains is so much...

About Humility:
I also don't feel like humility in any way replaces halo. No damage from one threat on turn 2 is usually a lot better than taking 1 damage from a few threats later in the game. I...

I know double posts suck, but I have something about boarding that's really been on my mind, about sideboarding:

I love isochron scepter, but sometimes I'm really not sure its usefulness past the...

Also, this gets countered by counterbalance with force of will, which is pretty bad in my opinion.

I don't see why we would want to play saltblast as removal when we already have a lot of great answers in the main (halo/ring), and as a sideboard card it seems subpar versus more effective/efficient...

Wouldn't it not matter, since either way painter turns everything one color, then humility takes that ability away (returning everything to regular colors), or humility removes the ability so that it...