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@the Hymn Topic: The reason for playing Thoughtseize is that it covers our hands which lacking Mox Diamond, so being able to interact on T1 with our opponent because sometimes a T2 chalice or...

I did not played the MU till now with this deck but the only way I see losing to it is when they're OTP and go T1 Mimic, T2 Seer, T3 Smasher and we have a slow start without Mox. If we're OTP and...

I thought about a traditional oldschool list at the beginning of playing this deck too but at the end of the day I just had to recognize that the old Seimic Assault/Devastating dreams list is just...

That was the reason why I said "If your meta allows it"...The colorless mana from Monastery should not be relevant because you would cut Maze for it which does not make any mana...

I dont think manlands are absolutley no goes but the space is the problem, same with the DD/Stage combo (in addition that it makes the manabase more unstable).
I would not cut the 4th bob for it...

I personally had many times where I wanted to Zenith up a Shaman because I had no Mox Diamond, got wasted, stucking on 2 lands...Zenith here on Arbor was always really akward because it only produces...

# the Loam vs Miracles topic: Sure we play fetches which we can get back with loam but for what?? Our manabase is safe and they will play around our wastelands the first 4-5 turns if they want to...

About the Miracles boarding plan...Till now I always cuted both Loam because I dont see why we should leave in any copie, our manabase is safe because they play no mana denial such as Wasteland, our...

That's my list...

4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Dark Confidant
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg

4 Mox Diamond
4 Chalice of the Void

Hey folks,
could anyone update the primer? This one is from the medievil & has nothing to do with the list from nowadays...Would be great!

I'm asking because I need some boarding help...

Only non-manaproducing lands are cuttable in my opinion, no duals, no fetches...Everything else it possible but even here we have so many goodies which we want (Wastelands, Karakas, Arbor, Maze...

Pilhas played with it as a 1off and has experience with it...

Now we're in the finals against Storm :cool: This deck is just BOSS! GO GO GO!

And yes "Punishing Abzan" feels like someones kicking me hard in my balls :mad:
I cant understand why they both dont...

@ Pilhas: How strong & important was the DD/TS combo till now?
Is it worth hurting the manabase for it or had you situations where you wished it would have been a fetch?

One thing I missed...

Gratz buddy! Could you post your list? Did not find it the last couple pages...

Gratz! You proofed that this deck is even real in the US, not only in europe. How were the Dark Dephts/Stage Combo for you?

Gratz! Keep it going! Want to see a report for sure!

Hi,
Niklas Kronberger just took down the BOM 2014 in Annecy France (535 Players).

Heres the list he played:

4*Chalice of the Void
4*Mox Diamond
3*Liliana of the Veil
3*Abrupt Decay...