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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Ancient thread, but the closest we have to something for this:

    7-1 list by fishdruggery:

    3 Oko, Thief of Crowns

    1 Brazen Borrower
    1 Courser of Kruphix
    1 Gilded Goose
    4 Ice-Fang Coatl
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    I think it has shown it is "Playable" but the jury would still be out as to "exactly how competitive" it is.

    It has some results to show for itself. Still, none of those point to some "Tier 1"...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Looks like a strange Delver-less Delver deck than a Midrange one, although I guess it's reasonable to see it the other way around. First look it seemed like our old "Tempo" shell with "Midrange"...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    I'd say here.
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    It doesn't invalidate having Red for K. Command and 'Blasts, those are still good cards.

    It does possibly mean that some form of Stifle is more popular, a la RUG Delver, so you might get punished...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Well, I tried out my GSZ-Leovold deck above a couple weeks ago. First off, I totally misbuilt it, had only 59 cards when I went to play, somehow had 3 maindeck Toxic Deluge, and was generally rusty...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Well, I think your list is decent. It's hard for me to evaluate, but it's not far from the 20 Land Delver lists I used to run (complete with 2 Liliana). However, Leovold didn't exist at the time,...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Small possibility I can make FNM this week. Highly experimental build with Leo:

    2 Leovold, Emissary of Trest
    4 DRS
    4 Goyf
    2 Snapcaster Mage
    1 Scavenging Ooze
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    2 Jace TMS
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Fair points. I'm biased, because I really don't like Daze in BUG lists. Also, it nearly always feels like a total brick versus Miracles. Frankly that is probably more so about how I am approaching...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    My intial reaction is that Daze and Zenith don't seem like a real good combo, since you want your lands in play. GSZ makes this an even more mana-hungry BUG deck, which we already usually are.
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    I'm curious about the number of Ponders. I know you have been running 4, but I have been pretty pleased with 0, which honestly has been a surprise to me. I thought I really would dislike the...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Well, like you said, your list is a tempo deck, so it is better placed in the BUG Delver thread. As for the list, well, it seems a bit top heavy for tempo, with that many 3-cmc cards.

    I ran the...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Yeah, maybe I am just misunderstanding how he'll end up being used.

    Even so, I am not sure he makes any of the bad matchups you listed better, but again, I am off the mind of excluding him, since...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    I don't know about Edric. Seems like he is at his best when you need him least (i.e. if you have a bunch of creatures that are free to attack, you are winning). I would think he would be better in...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Fair enough, I am not going to say it's bad, because if your plan is to bring it in versus Combo, that's fine, since against a Storm deck, even making them pay 2 can stop them.

    I'd just want...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Hydroblast is more than fine as a replacement for now, no one runs Misdirection really. Once you find some BEBs just swap them on the off chance it ever happens to come up.



    Indeed, I really...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    BEB is also something that no one ever expects. I've certainly caught an opponent who didn't respect the possibility of BEB and only play around Spell Pierce or Flusterstorm with me having one Blue...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    The issue with Chill is that if it arrives "late" it won't do much, especially if they have played a few 1 drops before the Chill lands. There have been a number of times, especially versus...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    My sideboard can often be a mish-mosh of crap. What I had thrown together was something like:

    2 Blue Elemental Blast
    1 Krosan Grip
    1 Null Rod
    1 Pithing Needle
    2 Surgical Extraction
    2...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Yeah, I'd say bad on Burn, UR Delver (if they are heavier on Burn, lighter on counters), probably Sneak and Show (especially if they are packing Blood Moon), Lands if they can combo relatively fast,...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Probably still better than Ashiok. OK, maybe not, but it would probably do about as much.

    If the combination of Lili, Jace and Garruk can't get you there though, I doubt if anything can. Heck,...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Indeed, once you have both, it's almost something of a lock. The trouble is getting there sometimes.



    I really have felt like Ashiok is a terrible card. At least, on paper. Dies to REB,...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    I've been running Invasive Surgery for a few weeks now, still have yet to have anyone cast a Sorcery while I had it in hand though. If Envelop was playable though, it has to be too.

    The only...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    Indeed, here is where Deed would really shine out of the board too, I think.

    I would just be worried about this list versus something like RUG. Or even worse, UR Delver. It might be ok, but Loam...
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    Re: [Deck] Team America (Midrange/Control Thread)

    I'm glad it made sense, because as I kept typing, I wasn't sure how lucid I was being.

    There is also something to be said about how being able to run 4 Braistorms, as we can in Legacy, allows us...
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