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I was having trouble with chaos with regards to my playstyle, so I'm back with 3 NO in the deck, added the packmaster and 2 caverns and I think that's where I'll stand for Philly

I reflexively grimaced. Sounds like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Liking the new life loss elf. Completely uncomfortable with 4x sage, I got 1 main and that's I've been needing for now.

What happens if we up the bayou count, drop a NO and 1 hoof and maybe a...

Assuredly no

I like at as a turn 3 fuck you to burn first and foremost that I'm fine with bringing in against other combo matchups. Burn is certainly beatable without it, but christ does Ruric Thar make it...

It was a tongue in cheek reply, mostly because the problem you are describing is actually not a problem. We have a good game plan against these decks- If you are on the play OR they don't have turn 1...

Morph two birchlores, turn them face up, BAM green mana

Small report from Top Deck Games in Haddon, NJ, USA:

Using an older list, 3 NO main with packmaster, ooze, sage. Board has discard, second ooze Ruric thar as notables. 33 people in attendance, 6...

Lol. If the deck that already is favored wants to go ahead and bring in more ways to deal with you, you are just going to lose. Honestly, if show and tell gets cast, it doesn't matter what he brings...

There often isn't much you can do, although I haven't had issues with depths decks myself. Consistently beating dredge/tes post board would require a retooling of the board and leave you...

Ruric Thar is way less cornercase and quite difficult to beat: They'd need loam, chasm and x2 thesbian stage + mana to not take anything and we need to not touch their GY at all.

I have no idea why lands can't beat elderscale wurm.

I personally haven't had trouble with lands: We find our stuff way faster than they do

Played a bunch of games postboard against miracles, won like 20%. Feels like I've wasted my night

Thanks for the response.

I noticed you were siding out GSZ against miracles? Perhaps I wasn't listening closely enough during your game (and the VODs are heavily muted :( ). Thoughts behind this...

I don't think people in my area are bringing in wear//tear against elves since elves lists aren't running infinite artifacts/enchantments against them. I know Schonegger (probably misspelled) was...

I occasionally check the VODs to see your list.

I don't know of anyone else running choke. Where do you want it and how effective has it been? I assume miracles is the reason?

Is disfigure a terrible solution? Neither have a large amount of threats and so long as they can't start strong we'll get to enter our zesty mid game where we get all our options

I wasn't until I saw it and now I don't know how I've been living without it

I've tried both Bitterblossom and Garruk Wildspeaker. They both weren't good because they failed to change the dynamic of the matchup.

I'm not sure I'm ready to drink the Koolaid as heavily as you, but glad to hear a different approach to building the deck

What would you suggest taking out then?


I'm not convinces worldspine wurm is good. They have toxic deluge and liliana to hit progen, but they have Submerge and Jace to hit Wurm. If Progen gets a...

Matchup Analysis:

Elves vs Shardless BUG

Shardless list: Ryan Layman's 9th place from SCG Somerset. He's a player local to me, congrats to him!

Elves is favored preboard, favored to even...

I started with a 2nd sage and then found myself targeting things I could have with abrupt decay. So I'm a bit more strict with my decay usage and I gain a sideboard slot.

I hate worldspine wurm....

MBT and Surgical certainly aren't great concerns for storm but sometimes other conditions force storm to play into them or a bad pilot doesn't consider them and you snatch a game. I don't recommend...

None really but if you like 20, more power to you.

Matchup Analysis
Elves vs AnT/TES

Elves is highly unfavored preboard, unfavored (to even?) postboard

Current configuration
Same as...