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    Sticky: Re: How Humility Works

    Starting with a 1/3 creature, the effects are applied in this order:

    Layer 7a - nothing
    Layer 7b - nothing
    Layer 7c - -0/-1 is applied -> it's a 1/2 creature
    Layer 7d - nothing
    Layer 7e - P/T...
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    Incorrect.

    Adding and removing abilities takes place in the same layer. Therefore timestamp decides what happens.
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    Sticky: Re: How Humility Works

    Basically yes.



    It's a bit more complicated, but generally equipment works very well with Humility.

    An example:

    Interaction between Humility and Sword of Fire and Ice.
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    They won't have Flying.
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    All lands are creatures.

    All lands lose all abilities (in particular, they don't produce mana anymore).

    They are
    a) 1/1 if first NR entered the battlefield, then came Humility
    a) 2/2 if...
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    No, it doesn't.



    Show and Tell puts both permanents onto the battlefield at the same time. This means there is never a moment when Terastodon actually has its abilities, so it can never trigger.
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    Sticky: Re: How Humility Works

    It's not really a question, but rather an answer to a question that might show up soon:

    Yes, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre is a creature-based answer to Humility (the 1st one I know of).



    You...
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    Painter applies in Layer 5.
    Humility's first effect applies in Layer 6.

    So when Humility removes Painter's ability, the color-changing has already taken place.



    All triggered abilities...
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    Sticky: Re: How Humility Works

    That's true, but that's not the point.

    The point is, that Glorious Anthem has always been in a different layer than Humility, while Giant Growth used to be in the same layer as Humility, thus...
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    With the release of M10, the new comprehensive rules contain a revision of the layer-system, thus affecting several Humility-interactions:



    Some examples of new interactions:

    - Painter's...
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    Just out of curiosity:

    Does Humility make a deck full of Relentless Rats illegal? :smile:
    Or does their (second) ability apply "as long as <this> is in your library"?
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    Mishra becomes a 1/1 temporarily, and the effect still ends at the end of turn. The reason is that the activation includes a duration of the effect. And this is not affected by Humility at all.
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    Sticky: Re: How Humility Works

    Like Anusien said, the CDA (= CSA !? ) thing only works inside each layer, not if the effects apply in different layers.


    The basic recipe for all these layer actions is essentially logical.
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    Because the Kobolds' ability is a so-called characteristic-setting ability.



    Both Kobolds and Humility (1st effect) are layer 5. Humility is always applied after the Kobolds' CSA. The result...
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    However, when Humility leaves play, the game remembers which card was chosen for Meddling Mage back then. So after that it can't be played.
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    Just for clarification: Isn't there a contradiction to the following rules?



    If you apply these rules to Magus with Humility in play, you might say that Magus already enters play without his...
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    This question came up in two German speaking forums, and I would like to know how the American experts handle this problem.

    How does Magus of the Moon work with Humility in play?

    Explanation a)...
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    I'm not talking about triggered abilities "When <this> comes into play", but about abilities like that of Ravager that have the form "This comes into play with xy" or "This comes into play tapped"...
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    All correct, so far. @2: It is always a land, but EoT it stops being a creature. That's what you meant.



    All the counters apply, so a 1/1 with 2 counters becoms 3/3, effectively.



    The...
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    Timestamp only applies if two things happen in the same layer.



    Humility happens in 6b, Anthem in 6d.

    So the critters will ALWAYS be 2/2.
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    It's even written down in the rules.
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    That's different. They have trigered/static abilities that work from the graveyard, but in case of Wonder you have to mind the timestamp rule.

    If Humility is in play, then Wonder enters the...
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    I believe that's wrong.



    I read this rule 501.b like "the effect does nothing, not even create a new timestamp."

    Can anybody confirm or contradict?
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    Sticky: Re: How Humility Works

    To be more precise: if you equip the hammer to the creature after Humility was played, it will have the abilities.

    That means, if the hammer is already equipped to a creature and a Humility is...
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    Sticky: Re: How Humility Works

    Yes this works.



    The static ability won't be affected by Humility (just as Madness, Affinity etc.). Once the creature is in play, it becomes a 1/1 without any abilites, though, thus the...
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