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I haven't played legacy in a while but I feel like contributing with this: https://m.imgur.com/B1ntGDF?r Weatherlight


With Sol Lands/Metalworker, it can easily come down early. Hard to remove as...

When I used to play Welder MUD combo, I would side in Chalice/Thorn and play Aggro MUD in certain matchups. I would keep the Welder combo package against Midrange for the most part.

Also, Tangle...

I don't think they'll go down since they're both on the Reserve List

Looking to update the primer.

What exactly is the legendary lists?

@Magus of the Wheel:

I think the best shell for that is a Daretti Stax shell. Deny your opponent's manabase using Spheres and Tangle Wire. You don't really need Faithless Looting (and possibly...

I think Ensnaring Bridge is also justifiable when one of your win conditions is Ugin.

I don't know how much I've missed out with but why is Ugin terrible against Miracle?

If you're gonna go on full lockdown with Vise as one of your wincons, I would suggest abusing Smokestacks.

Basically the progression of the game will be (based on my page 68 list)

- Either you...

Having Mishra's Factory and Kuldotha Forgemaster kinda helps with the consistency. I am also looking forward with the new mulligan rule.



Monolith is one of the weakest cards in the deck but...

From my past experiences against Goblins, you board out Chalice+Sphere for more threats. Ratchet Bomb doesnt really help as their casting costs varies. Quick Wurmcoil is the way to go.

@L10:
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If you want to compare, here is the last list that I was working with before I disappeared:



The issue I had with the list was trying to catch up if the opponent gets a head start. Turn 1...

Are you also running Sphere of Resistance in your list?

I haven't contributed in the thread for a while now and missed a lot of things. A lot of people at work are going back in playing the game...

This or something along the lines of Lodestone Golem

I don't know about BUG, they always seem to have an answer. Double Hymn is impossible to come back to and an active Lilliana can get too much.

Your best answer is to resolve an early Wurmcoil and...

Will be nice enough and write us how it all went?

If Glowrider didn't see play, I don't see how this will.

Well, when I used to play the comboesque Welder build, I didn't run Chalices in the main. Instead I relied on Tangle Wires to disrupt my opponent. I did have Chalice and Trinisphere on the side for...

I think if you're gonna splash for red, you might as well play Welder or Daretti.

As for more lockdown Cloudpost builds, I think Winter Orb could be really good against the Midrange matchup which...

Good luck. Would you be okay if you post a report after, whether you do well or not?

I will be putting this on the Primer

I think you can get away with 3x Steel Helkite instead of having 1x Wurmcoil, 1x Titan, 1x Hellkite. You can gain life off of Post lands but not sure if it's enough.

Also, have you tried Ugin in...

I added Jakobian's list on the primer as for his/her request.

Turn 2 Ugin? How exactly do you pull that off?

How was Ugin? I think he should be a 3-4 off in the main.

He's just so good when he resolves.

Doesn't some Workshop decks run Battlesphere in Vintage? Or do they do that just because of Tangle Wire?