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i like the Surge of salvation a lot at the moment. it protects from spot removal and wasteland/karakas.

i had 2 5-0's recently https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/5934610#paper

i'm mostly a death and taxes player. most people dont run 2 priests anymore, so i believe the pact is beter in almost all other instances.

great point

i have updated my list. I do believe force of negation is better than disrupting shoal

these are my thoughts right now:

Mainboard:

4 golgari grave troll
4 stinkweed imp
4 golgari thug
4 shambling shell
3 whrilpool rider
4 prized amalgam

that card is absurd to me. we should just forget about the gigapedes. perhaps 3 hogaak and 1 gigapede. what do you think echolon?

that phantsamo + gigapede interaction is one i did not think of earlier :).

seems decent. but a phantasmagorian cut seems to me like a more natural one for gigapede. perhaps 2 of each one

slitterhead sounds fun :). I do think gigapede is also a serious option. cant somebody come up with a serious list with force of vigor?

Do you guys have any other suggestions for green cards? besides the 4 shells main...

what a insane card. ripping through multiple leylines or killing cage for 0 mana.

very true. you make some concessions when run the w.riders

if you run the counter package, then there is no reason to run spotremoval vs miracles

everybody runs faerie for obvious reasons. vs br it blasts through cancellor on the draw. it is creature for shadow AND black for ichorid and you will get it into play once somebody resolves and...

[4x] Golgari Grave-Troll
[4x] Stinkweed Imp
[4x] Golgari Thug
[4x] Ichorid
[4x] Nether Shadow
[4x] Narcomoeba
[4x] Bridge from Below
[4x] Cabal Therapy
[4x] Dread Return
[4x] Phantasmagorian

i only run 2 shambling shells and added 2 sphinx. fow pitch + finding a better dredger / finding counterspells on the top feels great.

in what stompy universe is endbringer better than oblivion sower and balista better than jitte? 3 eyes over 4 eyes, lol people should do more testing,thats for sure.

i whould probably play an...

the decks that play leyline 99% of the time dont play counters. aggro loam and eldrazi

if a counter spell is your counter argument for everything, then nobody can ever change your mind

i prefer a more aggressive aggro game 1 and bring in the complete nature claim/r.silence package side, because i think losing to random leylines is just stupid. Thats better than a hail mary in my...

Yeah thats my whole point. you cant do anything before they get to play a land. so the can still crypt, cage you all day. i dont see how chancellor is helping here

im not sure why that comparison is relevant to the discussion

yeah 100% of the time. but that still makes it a terrible DR target. the chance that chancellor steal any game by fighting graveyard...

yes but you still need to have it in your opener. You do not need phantasmogorian in your opener. all the sidecases together also make it reasonable.

that only goes for the sidecase where you...

How is chancellor of the annex not almost just as dead in the graveyard?

how is phantasomogorian worse then bazaar for the hollow one effect? if even works from the graveyard if you did not have...

what do you guys think of hollow one? since it comboes with phantosmogorian. or sidecases like: with multiple streets wraight or if you run multiple gigapedes, or therapy yourself for perhaps...

when the counter the shoal they dont have the counter for the DR right? if they dont have the counter, you have a blow out. The cards are not useless in your graveyard, the red creatures are extra...