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I miss nedleeds.

The one place where I'd disagree with that is that we don't have removal or sac outlets (apart from NO) G1, so can't kill Bridges to slow Dredge down really.

This. DRS is evil vs. stuff like reanimator and Past in Flames which require key cards, or stuff that needs to recur for value. LED Dredge can just dump so many targets into the bin you can never...

I'd need to splash a color and can't play Cage. I mean, I could just play a blue deck and get to play those I guess.

There is such a thing as sideboard space, and more played matchups.

Don't know jack about the matchup, but:
Not natively blue => 6-8 blanks maindeck
Emrakul => goodbye combo
Wild Growth/Utopia Sprawl => Goodbye Moon effects.
You're monored, forget about removing...

Manaless, I can totally buy it. But LED Dredge I just can't make myself to. They're way faster and most of our hate is just bad unless Ooze can start a Cradle-fueled rampage.

Do you have any example lists to show?

My typical experience with PFire is that it's too slow, but if it's in a heavy blue control shell it will be trouble. Depends heavily on the build, though -...

Reanimator is a good suggestion, but what do you mean by Pfire control? Miracles, Jund? Jund is fine.



Esperblade and Jund shouldn't be in there.


For my votes:

Elves - Reanimator, LED...