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    Re: [Primer] UB Death's Shadow

    Any thoughts on Murktide Regent?

    https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/large/front/2/0/20c4aae1-7665-4df7-bd51-a1d95bf8a17d.jpg?1622577153

    One extra mana for a beater that will always be...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Even though I don't use it myself, as I understand it Rotwalla is more condicional since it depends solely on Phantasmagorian/Therapy while, between extra Hogaaks/Shells/Trolls/OUaT's, Dryad'll...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Depends on the opposition. Against counter/thorn/sphere filled decks you're unlikely to combo anyways, so yes, it's better to go for beats and use those slots for protection.

    Against fast decks on...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    According to FoW calculations done by someone smarter than me the suggested minimum number of cards to reliably cast a Force is 16 (including the Forces themselves).

    If you want a 16th slot for...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    You see, Manaless always had two siding strategies, blue for countering threats or black and green for dealing with them after they hit.

    As far as my time with the deck goes, I've never seen...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Chancellor helps protect you against turn one discards, "regains" turn parity by skipping your opponent's 1st turn and serves as a DR target for beatdown. I wouldn't trade OUAT for it, but it is...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Always happy to give input about my favorite deck. Made an account solely to participate in this forum, so I'm always lurking around here.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    My suggestions are:

    1) Either run Flayer/Terror (works with Hogaak and Bridge) alongside Oracle in the main or instead of it altogether. Don't waste sideboard space with alternate wincons.

    2)...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Seems like a good starting list.

    My input:

    1- I usually I advocate for Flayer of the Hatebound, Terror of the Peaks or even Lotleth Giant instead of Thassa's Oracle because one could argue that...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    What's wrong with it?

    Card choices were pretty standard.
    - 14 dredgers
    - 4 of every recurring creature
    - 2 Hogaaks since it helps the beatdown plan by entering as early as turn 2 or with the...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Dredgers
    2 Shambling Shell
    4 Golgari Thug
    4 Stinkweed Imp
    4 Golgari Grave Troll

    Recurring Creatures
    4 Narcomoeba
    4 Nether Shadow
    4 Prized Amalgam
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Always happy to contribute with my pet deck's discussion.

    Hopefully, one day it'll be viable enough to face a field that's prepared for it instead of just preying on unsuspecting metas.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Land followed by Claim loses us the same amount of tempo as FoV since it's still two cards spent from our hand.

    Also, the tapped land is vulnerable to Wasteland and untapped land costs us 3 life...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    The creatures, I think not. At least not on maindeck, because they dont really accomplish anything the deck wants to do and the land coming into play tapped serves no purpose other than casting...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Nothing wrong with that. It just seemed like you misunderstood what I meant and I just wanted to clarity.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    But what I'm saying is that you still "win this turn" after Spy by DR'ing Ashen Rider to remove whatever's stopping Flayer and THEN DR'ing Flayer+Troll.

    I'm advocating running Flayer + Rider...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I suppose you run Oracle alongside Flayer to get around any possibility of having your combo interfered with by the likes of Leyline of Sanctity or Glacial Chasm.

    If that's the case, why not just...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    The way I see it, we can either play OUAT during their upkeep to narrow their ability to counter down to Force, but have them spend their turn already knowing what we're playing (since we reveal the...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    What are people's opinions on dredgerless hands with Once Upon a Time?
    The card kind of works like a mulligan, but if it doesn't hit it whithin the 5 cards or the following one, then it's a BIG...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Hello there, long time enthusiast of the deck. Registered only to share the list I ran to success at my local weekly event and do a brief round recap.
    First of all, the idea behind my list is to try...
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