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Basically, yes. Bringing in additional 1 mana removal and using it aggressively on strix. Having them exiled keeps them off rebuying them with kcommand and lilly.

A quick update to that 4x avenger 4x brightling list i posted. I was bringing in 2 cataclysm and 2 path to exile and boarding out 4 thalias against pile decks. The opposing strixes just weren't that...

Strix was the reason for sword of light and shadow over war and peace as the additional equipment. 4 stp, 4 mom and 2 pro strix equipment should make it a somewhat manageable problem game 1. If i...

Before all the newer printings that lead the deck in a grindy direction, there was a 4x serra avenger and 3x mirran crusader build that was seeing success. Cant help but wonder if there's a 4x...

Why would it matter if you could only protect 1 at a time? You're still getting value if you can protect 1 and the other one is clocking. If it was gray ogre in your hand instead while you had active...

Finally arrived at a list I like against the DRS mush meta.

lands 25
4x ancient tomb
1x badlands
2x island
1x karakas
4x polluted delta
3x scalding tarn
1x swamp

You're likely correct, it was just a quick list. It should probably be -1 mangara -1 aven for another wingmare and 1 crusader or hallowed spiritkeeper

Any merit to trying to mangara people out again if going away from the stoneforge package? Could bump to 24 lands to support restoration angel to help abuse it plus give an extra evasive beater. You...

Abrade is really good in that matchup. Plus it passes the important test of killing DRS and Delver, so its not a wasted sideboard slot as strictly a narrow answer to DNT.

How often are you finding Spire of industry to be smoothing out your colored mana requirements? If its not very often, id imagine the occasional free wins wasteland provides would be better.

If...

The way Karn is worded, it's card draw gets around leovold. It's probably good in any U/B builds running 7 sol lands.

Haha well said.

The only counter I'd offer is that while it durdles and does nothing initially, the game will end when it gets to 3rd lore counter.

Kinda narrow, but antiquities war is probably decent sideboard tech against pile. It dies to red blasts just the same as tezz and dack, but it can't be attacked or bolted off the table like dack and...

Regardless of grixis or straight u/b, Mox diamond allows for the most powerful thing in a vacuum this archetype is capable of. Turn 1 chalice into Turn 2 tezz isn't possible without Mox(not counting...

I've disliked the daretti basically in every matchup except DNT. If the defender token had flying it would have made a huge difference. Holding up black red to cast it turn 3 against delver for...

Are we sure a deck looking to jam a turn 1 thorn should be looked at as innovation? Seems closer to a symptom of a problem.



Also, two things can be true.

True name nemesis not running...

If there's going to be a new updated poll, please include gitaxian probe. That card is an atrocity to the game.

I'd personally toss in some number of engineered explosives over the echoing truths. it kills delver/deathrite at the same mana cost of deluge without the life loss which is very relevant in the...

Thread has been pretty dead, so ill toss out a random white splash/non force of will build I've been dicking around with that feels pretty good.


4 baleful strix
1 breya ethereum shaper

2...

Are you ever boarding out Azcanta? Or is it giving enough value to clear the top of the deck even against grave hate

Search for azcanta flipping into that academy land would have been our ideal card

I'm with both of you on the deck not being well positioned at the moment. The leyline helm combo takes up too much sideboard space to properly fight the pile and value decks. There's no free wins...

We probably aren't there yet, but I can foresee a day when Whir of invention becomes an upgrade on transmute in a straight u/b build. Chalice, sorcerous spyglass, crucible, bridge are all good lock...

To be blunt, grixis is not worth playing without mox diamond. It fix the mana, provides additional ways to cast turn 1 chalice without the need to run multiple city of traitors, and makes it easier...

How was the sorcerous spyglass for you?