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I could understand the idea of running two A. Ruins in Extended back in the day when everyone was playing it and EE recurrence was often key in the mirror.

Is this necessary in today's Legacy...

According to http://www.eternal-central.com/?p=453 Mennendian's list is approximatively (copy-paste from website):

4 burning wish
3 show and tell
4 emrakul
4 counterbalance
4 sensei
4 force...

In my experience, Jace TMS + having the right counters so that they don't shit their hand out in the early turns + CB@2 is a good plan that has worked enough times for me against Lands.dec to make me...

I posted a list in another CB-Top thread with only 4 Goyf and 4 KOTR for a creature base (see post #11).

Source:...

I agree with your argument.

The thing is, it doesn't "pitch" to N.O. and doesn't accelerate you into it either (and Exalted often breaks creature stalemates).

It can also give you wins vs. Lands.dec...

The Mother of Runes suggestion kind of makes me want to dance...

Seriously, you already use CB-Top to protect your threats and playing Mother seems...

Here's what I can think of to answer reanimated fatties at the moment.

Targeted bounce (e.g. Chain of vapor, Jace TMS);
Non-targeted bounce (e.g. Curfew, Lawan C.E., Hibernation, Wash Out);...

This is also a relevant question vs. Bant Survival.

Some people have opted to play MD bounce (see for example http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=31856) in the form...

If you consider the plan that he stated, i.e. getting rid of LOA to cast Plumeveil, I'd prefer K.F. in that scenario. I'd also prefer K.F. vs. Zoo...

That being said, I think K.F. and Plumeveil...

It was a rhetorical question ;)



Don't want to be a dick, but it sounds like a bad plan IMO... sorry... I'd rather play Kitchen Finks (if I'm forced to play another 3-drop, which I'm not).

How does Plumeveil answer Islandwalk (i.e. Merfolk)?

Progenitus can be managed (in UGW S.U.) with many cards (Llawan C.E., Wash Out, etc.).

I'd rather pass on that.

Does anyone have good arguments for/against the following statement: in the current meta, UGW(X) is the best splash for CB decks?

I have already made my case for UGW in...

pippo84, here's my opinion based on playing both UGB CB-Top in the past and now UGW CB-Top (with N.O) now:

If your creature base consists of Sower + Bob + Goyf (like the list posted on the...

The quality of the removal (or lack of) in (B) and the fact that you can't play Rhox War Monk or Quasaly Pridemage are enough to make me stay away from UGB in today's metagame. If I really wanted to...

Iona is a 7/7 flyer, the 2 x Predator + Clique play is faaaaaaaar fetched...

Are these plays occuring with significant probability game 1 ? I don't see many lists with either Sower or Clique +...

Personally, I don't find it that clear cut and IMO Iona fills that spot.

This is based on personnal experience vs Reanimator, on the experience of friends playing Reanimator vs. UGW CB-Top-NO and...

The only reasons I play 1 Jace the Mind S. MD is because it bounces Iona and is good against control, which is present in my meta. Against bant survival and reanimator it's more a case of how not to...

In my opinion, A. Vengeant or Elspeth is too slow vs fast aggro, which is very present these days (e.g. Merfolk, Goblins). When you'll land your plainswalker, chances are the board will contain...

Maindeck bounce (e.g. chain of vapor, echoing truth or whipe away) or maindeck Jace, the Mind Scupltor give you outs to Iona if Reanimator or Bant Survival are present in the Top8 tables in your meta...

Have any of you tested R. Gonzales' UGW(r)-CB-Top w/ NO list from GP Madrid's Top8 ?

I don't see what new elements this 'new' list adds to already existing Supreme U lists.

In particular, I...

I agree about the idea that this thread should be split, but I don't totally agree with the classification you propose.

Note that I don't have anything better to suggest at the moment except...

Thanks for explaining your point Cenarius.

IMO Elspeth and NO-Prog serve different functions and their inclusion is a metagame dependent choice.

My personal experience is the following.
...

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I Totally agree with you.

IMO, UGW and UGWR have become the canonical choices for the current meta(s) (and I agree with that choice).

Also, posts along the lines of "bla bla, here's my...

Answer: No.

I'm saying that it may be sided-in if there are dead cards that remain in the deck after SB-ing relevant cards; that is all I'm saying.



I am not arguing that.

I'm arguing...

Rocket surgery much ? I was trying to remain in Andrew's choice of colors (i.e. UGB) and give constructive criticism.

Personally, if I expect a lot of Merfolk (and other Vial aggro decks) I woud...