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Hmmm... That is pretty good for countertop, but I'm not sure if it's enough. That card DOES solve some of the issues of this deck being too slow in terms of killing.

Oh I agree, but I'm suggesting that CoS is the final nail in CTs coffin.

Cavern of Souls will kill this deck. I don't think the miracle cards can save it.

Do you think any of the new Miracle cards will find a home in CounterTop?

You can drop Bobs early to force them to spend mana getting rid of him. If they don't, they lose to the card advantage we get. If they get rid of him, it buys us some time.

The biggest threats...

Within three more sets or so, a mono-blue Countertop should be viable.

- Looks like a bastard child of Surpreme Blue lists and BlueZoo. Dismember is strong enough to allow CB decks to not run white for swords. Not sure how I feel about having Daze in a CBT deck though.

- At least with batterskull you have some hope racing them/stabilizing. BS gives merfolk a hard time.



- Counterblade is my attempt to try and make CBT viable again. I do share your feelings in...

- Merfolk were usually the decks that helped kill of CounterTop decks. My comment was more referring to now than before. I simply don't see traditional Supreme Blue lists being viable at the moment.

- If that is truly how you feel than it's no wonder Supreme Blue lists have died out.

- FS works just fine with SFM. If SFM is out and not dead, drop the BS and you can hold off hordes fairly well. If they kill the SFM, you board wipe. If you need to board wipe and SFM and BS are out,...

- How exactly is Goyf going to slow down someone?

=Merfolk Island walk around him.
= Zoo plays enough removal that it doesn't matter.
= Maverick plays bigger creatures.
= Reanimator players...

- Firespout solves the later problem. As for the former, you likely wouldn't play a Tarmogoyf without protection either considering how threat lite this deck is.

I dunno, I never liked playing CBT without STP. I always felt naked without them to be able to remove big dudes.

I'm not sure how I feel about the lack of white for STP. We lose to a resolved KotR or some other big beater.

Check out my CounterBlade thread!

I know, I come off as an attention whore, but I'd like to keep discussion that wants to fuse the SFM + BS and CBT deck in one thread. This allows non-SFM decks...

Grim Lavamancer would be a better choice instead of shackles IMO. HE can fry all sorts of goblins and merfolk, dyrad arbors, Noble Hiearchs, Dark Confidants, Vendilion Cliques, Pridemages, and many...

- FML, that's what I get for not carefully reading the card. Well, you know what I mean: get rid of a non-land card that's currently dead, like excess tops or CBs.

I have never liked Trinket Mage in CounterTop. He's not a threat and as a tutor he's not that powerful. I'd rather have the fairy since it can grab stuff out of our opponents hand (or get rid of a...

- We could go that route as well. Do you have any deck lists or ideas on how to go that way?

Yes we are. We also have new toys to play with: Stoneforge Mystic and Batterskull.

Lets get the ball rolling shall we? I predict that Storm decks are going to make a reappearance. Goblins also...

Enlightened Tutor also makes it very easy to manipulate the top card of the library with Counterbalance. I think I will reconsider Thopter Countertop: the lists tend to run Ensnaring Bridge, which is...

Couple things I don't like about Thopters:

1- the combo is a bit fragile.

2- Enlightened tutor results in card disadvantage.

3- Sotm and Thopter Foundry are dead draws without each other....

I think Countertop decks need to start going a creatureless route and start abusing Vedalken Shackles and Ensnaring Bridge in some way. Shackles is great for stealing an opposing creature to protect...

Cut green and drop the Tarmogoyfs I suppose.