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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    Step one: Play an early Propaganda/Ghostly Prison. Try to save your countermagic and Swords to Plowshares/Paths to Exile for Seige-Gang Commander.

    Step two: Resolve Natural Order.

    Step three:...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    You're presuming that the Merfolk player has a Lord of Atlantis everytime or most of the time you have a Rhox War Monk. And even if they do have a Lord of Atlantis you can't answer, you can still...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    You do realize in that data set, CounterTop with Progenitus lists are 2-2 against Merfolk. Other CounterTop lists are 0-5.

    Also, none of those CounterTop lists ran any Propagandas or Ghostly...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    In my experience, blue blasts aren't enough against Goblins. Goblins will bury you in card advantage and fast damage even if you can counter/kill one or two of their guys. When I ran five, five...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    Spell Pierce is pretty awesome against Landstill too.
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    Natural Order is pretty effective against Zoo too. Natural Order is pretty effective against everything.

    Natural Order lists matchup better against Loam, CounterTop, and Ichorid.

    They're about...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    I've been fine with twelve 2-costs, nine fetchlands, and four Sensei's Divining Tops. Then again, I just started playing CounterTop again.

    Personally, I don't think it's worth it to cut stronger...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    True dat.

    It's hard enough getting :u::g::w::r: in the face of mana denial when playing with Supreme Blue, let alone :w::w:

    @Elspeth people

    Elspeth is too colored-mana intensive for a...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    Nope, that's my current list. And yes, I like Trygon better than Coatl and the fourth Daze.

    I don't see the point of running a singleton Lorescale Coatl. He's crappy late, and with only one,...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    Since that's my list card for card from the Legacy Champs, with the exception of Misty Rainforests, I can give you a hand.

    You're right about the Ponders and 18 lands. I'm up to 19 lands, and I'm...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    That hand is kind of weak, as it needs to find good things with SDT and/or keep Dark Confidant alive. For your sake, I hope that they don't counter or kill that Dark Confidant. It's more likely for...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    Last time I checked, every control deck runs enough cards that are dead in the combo matchup that they have to mulligan some hands because they won't beat combo. The main difference between my NO/CB...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    How is it better to get a basic land when you only have one or two lands? If you fetch a basic, you're cutting yourself off of a color. If they have Stifle/Wasteland, you're cutting yourself off of...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    Here's a lesson that I learned at the cost of some painful tournament losses:

    Fetching basic lands solely because of Wasteland is almost always the wrong play.

    Consider this situation: You have...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    I hate to say it, but Natural Order lists are even more vulnerable than four-color CounterTop to Canadian Threshold's mana denial plan. Five of our mana sources are burnable in addition to our...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    So do I. And about 60-65% of my wins don't involve Natural Order in any way. The point of Natural Order isn't to kill your opponent as fast as possible. It can (and often should) be used that way...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    Top eights at both Legacy Championship preliminaries, top eight at the Legacy Championships, top eight at The Meandeck Open #4, two top eights at the SCG Philly 5K.

    And that's without checking...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    I've never had much trouble with Merfolk. Counter/StP their Lords of Atlantis and stick a Rhox War Monk. They also really hate Natural Order and Firespout.

    It's not the easiest matchup, but if...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    You've chosen an excellent deck for your metagame.

    As for improving the list, Vendillon Clique has been discussed as a replacement for Trygon Predators in the maindeck. You could move the...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    You're looking at this the wrong way.

    The beauty of the deck is that Natural Order is but one of many weapons. It's not like you need it to win, nor does it compromise your ability to win with...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    While Spell Snare isn't at its best in CounterTop lists, it's not bad at all. Without Counterbalance out it's great, and if you get it on top it acts as both a CC 1 and CC 2 since you can tap top,...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    I've been playing frequently against Tempo Thresh with CounterTop, and I've been wondering/discussing with players at my store how to properly sideboard against Tempo Thresh. The main question is...
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    What are some good sideboard cards for the CounterTop mirror match? The best I can come up with are Sower of Temptation and Back to Basics.

    I'm running Ugw, by the way.
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    Re: [DTB] CounterTop

    My first attempt at a Natural Order Thresh list:

    4 Tropical Island
    3 Tundra
    2 Polluted Delta
    2 Flooded Strand
    2 Wooded Foothills
    2 Windswept Heath
    1 Island
    1 Forest
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