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Aether Vial anyone? ...Rhymes with Aether Vial...

I can't even play CounterTop in my meta any more. 25% Emrakul, 25% Goblins, 20% Affinity...plus Junk/Merfolk/Zoo/Lands mixed in. Nearly every deck...

For me personally, it was two things. Back in the day (i.e. 1.5 years ago or thereabouts), I played Daze largely to push my Counterbalance through in the mirror and against other blue "aggro-control"...

I've been away from the game for a few months, but reading the last few pages it seems like Jace TMS is pretty ubiquitous in CounterTop decks nowadays. Are all lists without it simply suboptimal?
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@andrew77

I'll give you credit for running Confidant, Thoughtseize and Snuff Out in such an aggro (read: Zoo) oriented metagame. Ballsy move.

To go along with the Couterbalance protips guide, when you resolve CounterTop, always float cards! Often times Goyf + RWM are better on top of your library than in play with a neutral board and...

This. But if you keep CounterTop in, then you have the ability to lock the Landstill player out entirely. With CounterTop and Teeg on the board, the Landstill player desperately needs to find...

I disagree. It makes entirely more sense to run EE main and Firespout SB unless you know your meta is overflowing with swarm aggro. EE is incredibly more versatile and is relevant in considerably...

On Firespout:
If you're concerned about it's versatility, run Engineered Explosives. Slightly weaker against Goblins/Merfolk, but it's golden against Zoo, the mirror, Tomb/Chalice decks and...

Trygon Predator wins the Stax matchup single-handedly, and often the mirror match. If you play it and protect it (most Stax builds will likely have only a handful of outs), you'll win easily. It also...

I would imagine Zoo can easily burn down Elspeth or the blockers protecting her. If I open with Elspeth against Zoo I would not be very pleased, personally. You need fast/cheap answers (e.g....

Like what? I'd guess tribal aggro? Landstill?


Against Gobs/Merfolk you're going to want UGRWW. Those decks play mana denial, and one Wasteland could ruin your day, let alone 2 or Port/Stifle. I...

I played gamegeek2’s list to a 4-1 finish at a local event (20+ players) this past weekend. The only changes I made were:

-1 Daze
+1 Spell Snare

SB:
-1 Spell Snare
-1 Pyroblast
+2 Path to...

I disagree that the hand is weak. While not a god-draw, it’s certainly solid. T1 Top, T2 Confidant is a strong opening, and the opponent will need an equally strong hand to overcome it, especially...

Kuma, I respect your opinion and I appreciate you taking the time and effort to present your arguements. Without writing too too much (EDIT: I wrote a lot), here's some further explanation behind my...

It really depends on the game situation, obviously. If I can sit on an Island and cantrip/spin Top then I'll fetch one early game. It's easy enough to go Fetch->Island, Fetch->Trop, Goyf and ignore...

@Kuma/God Dethroned

I think our disagreement lies in a different approach to the deck. I play CounterTop as control. Tarmogoyf is the 'aggro' component of the aggro-control moniker that's been...

+1 to FoulQ's points. CounterTop shuts off 2/3 of the format. It's as good as the "hype" claims, if not better. Every deck's number one concern is "how do I beat CounterTop decks?" and all good decks...

Wait, so you're saying that the deck with the weaker manabase (UGWr) has a better game against Goblins and Merfolk?

You can easily play Ugwb CounterTop, it's very powerful. I'd run a creature base like 4 Goyf, 4 Confidant, 2 Trygon, 2 Rhox War Monk (if you were looking to fit these, otherwise I like V Clique...

Firespout is an all-star against all of those decks. Also, the red splash gives you access to REB/Pyroblast which are obviously huge against anything blue (e.g. 2/3 of the format)



I'm willing...

For additional pressure, try Jitte or Vendillion Clique. I'd run at least 12 creatures with Jitte though, and preferably 2+ each of Trygon Predator/Vendillion Clique because a Jitte in the air is a...

@Sage - I did the same thing but I haven't tested my list yet. I'm playing the UGw build with Pridemage and Jitte so I can flip for 2 more reliably. I have 3 Daze main and 3 Spell Snare SB for the...

Haven't you already won the game at this point?

EDIT: Meaning, you find Goyf, you play Goyf, you win.