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couple of points:

- GSZ is for T1 ramp (Dryad Arbor), for finding Mawloc as well as, post-board, Ouphe & such (Painter strong rn). Late-game Initiative creatures #9 - X. (stuff like Hexdrinker is...

The card you're missing for removal is Mawloc (much better than BCG!)

GR Initiative already exists & has been featured heavily on 90smtg over the past month or so--start here:
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like, do you mean links?

Maxtortion's RUG Stiflenought 4-1 (getting Delvered in r4, hilariously)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8ScH85YNIg&t=1747s

great Jarvis league on 4C Hamster Cntrl
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lol whut?

(Have you read Mine Collapse?? Let stay in reality and agree that Unholy Heat is only reasonable Bolts #4-6 option here

re: losing aggression: I might be on board with putting a...

lol, Fox going off the deep end. (building with Mine Collapse and Lavamancer for that imaginary future meta; durdling Saga into suicide-Dreadnought lines for that sweet sweet...

As I said, I never drew Wandering Mind and Dack happened to work out well for me in these games. I think the rise of Saga as a format staple actually makes Dack maindeckable these days, even outside...

Finally took the old General out for a spin again, in the Jeskai shell, for a little 3-0 with friends. MUs: DnT, Dark Bant, and some janky combo brew. (A while ago I did some testing vs. Doomsday...

This is not how I meant these Modern references: While mostly theorycrafting I found it useful to just see the General in action for a bit, and those play patterns not the particular card...

Sorry, I want to stop you right there. There's a substantial number of decks that have killed you by T2. Non-blue really needs meaningful T1 disruption, which is why I find JF an acceptable T1 play....

a few thoughts:

I think there are 2 different directions to take this deck: 1) creature-heavy aggressive or 2) midrange-control. Both demand vastly different play patterns and deck construction.
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been watching this thread from the sidelines since the printing of the General. Good work folks, though I think we're a playable 1cmc hybrid spell away from being competitive (preferably a cantrip;...

I'm not saying this is the only change needed to turn this into a flawless deck. I actually agree with many of your points here (bad mana, bad Lazav, bad use of Scroll, etc.). But you seem to confuse...

The main lesson here is make sure there's a playset of Ponder in your blue Legacy deck.

nice, should've known that this where discussion of Ark4n's list was at.

Agree with @FTW: Standstill looked pretty bad. I could see bringing in 1-2 copies from the board in certain MUs, but MD...

Fox: glad we agree on Delver-Rager swap.

That US-DN Delirium line is hilarious but useless for flipping an early Rager (takes 3 turns), and Whale is just a super solid card that's easily supported...

In Stiflenought, the red Rager & Disapprove aka Dress Down solve our Delver flip issues:

4 Rage Channeler
1-2 Gargoyle
4 PhD
2 Brazen B
1-2 Whale / TNN

2 Scroll
2 Dress Down

Hey folks,

I consistently played UB Tempo Stiflenought between DRS ban and Oko takeover. It was totally viable even though I was a relative Legacy newbie. You just have to watch the Swords % in...

(@Fox, too) good to read some sense over here. I've already been yelling into the void about it on reddit: I mean fuck DHA from a design- and flavor perspective, but there's just no real case for...

Hey Lutrians, my "Otterbox" entry was the runner-up in the "Negator77" brewing contest put up by Brian Coval aka BoshnRoll last week. He recorded a pretty fun league with it here, enjoy:
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@Albarkhane

I really like the direction here. I brewed up a fair Emry deck in UB a little while ago. Totally unproven of course, but it reliably Goldfishes into a fairly overwhelming board by...

@Rood
I came up with a list v close to yours. The variance introduced by Incinerator is offset by shaving the clunkier & conditional spells (PoP, Firecraft) for more Bolts (Skewer). Seal for Swifty...

Agree that Delver/Daze seem to be on the edge of playability with Standstill, as Sharknado bring so much more flexibility and synergy for that plan.

As for my tempo list:

latest tweaks:
cut...

@FistaCuffSmith Welcome to the Dreadtribe & welcome to Legacy. I highly recommend a deep dive into this thread; it's such a rich well of knowledge.
@Fox: Didn't you do a kind of round-up of the...

A 1000 times this.

re: Chandra's Incinerator in Burn



Seal is the replacement (please read what I'm saying); along with some number of Lavamancers, possibly. With T1 Seal none of your T2 counter scenarios apply....