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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    it can provide some more ways to access sb color mana and not interfere with the spy plan. the creatures add some more value over a regular land since they can be used with nether shadow and also be...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    does this deck benefit from the modal land cards?

    there's 1 black creature/land and 2 green creature/land. is this something the deck needs? i know card slots are kind of tight.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    it's not ideal, but leyline of sanctity can prevent bojuka bog.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    that name has come up with manaless for quite some time. probably flawless execution of the deck.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I had some decent results with led out of the sb a while ago (probe was legal and didn't run unmask)
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I've never played with chill, but from the text it looks like it is a one time thing, exiled from the game. Revival should only impact manaless dredge with chill if both are in opening hand. (And you...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    excluding when you have chill in opening hand and need to phantasmo it to the graveyard, what is the application for noxious and creeping chill?
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    great data. can you post all the non-manaless info in a new thread in the community thread? i think it would be really a great resource for the entire site.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    There's a bunch of sneak and show that are running 2 omniscience. He can also put sneak attack into play if he has the mana to kill you (maybe), but would have to sneak in emrakul.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    it might not be very good, but hollow one works well with phantasmagorian if they are running cage or surgical (and don't target phantasmagorian)
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    It's not run in leiu of nether shadow. Both are run. Play some games with it, you'll be impressed.

    Also as a last mention, it helps your blue count for sb cards.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    you gotta read up on the thread.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    The main cons for manaless is that it loses more to hard graveyard hate and is a little bit slower. Also on modo there are players who will know you're on manaless and put you on the play first.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Obviously man up. Otherwise ask in the turbo depths thread. :)
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    don't worry about sb too much. if you read through the thread enough you'll see what to swap out, but mostly you'll want to play the maindeck really well before even worrying about the sb. (it's...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    haven't tried maindeck Force of will. seems like a good idea. will test.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    i wonder if it's better for the sb to keep it with river kelpie.

    maybe try keeping the kelpies over the 2 pharaoh and iona. dunno. but i haven't tested yet. 3 kelpie + 4 amalgam + 4 probe + 4...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    oh yea. that was a fun one! also when you side in 4 faithless 4 led, make sure you also bring in the 2 undiscovered. randomly great with bloodghast too.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    yea its possible to combat combo youll want to sb up to the 4th therapies at least. i know vieko has had a lot of success as well with the faerie macabres.

    what was the 75 you ran? i cant seem to...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    undiscovered was in there for leyline of the void as a random out.

    congrats on win. i think this deck is well positioned regardless of the build, although i am pretty partial to the LEDs out of...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    UR delver 2-1 (pharaoh did some overtime game 3 on his weak draws. he didn't draw any hate.)
    spanish inquisition 2-0 (he fizzled game 1, game 2 mindbreak trap)
    mono red goblins 2-0 (he had turn 1...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    the version listed above isn't a combo deck, that's mostly why there is only 3 dread return.

    Griselbrand is probably unnecessary. I like iona because there's many games where reanimating flayer...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Latest league:

    4 Narcomoeba
    4 Street Wraith
    2 Bloodghast
    4 Golgari Thug
    4 Stinkweed Imp
    4 Golgari Grave-Troll
    4 Dakmor Salvage
    4 Nether Shadow
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    4-1 in another league. will type up a report in the next few days
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    been having a lot of fun with the manaless list. can't seem to go better than 4-1 though in leagues. so depressing. was 4-0 today and lost 3rd game to miracles.

    anyway

    that list was:

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