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it's in one of the lists above with wrenn and seems alright but its a pretty slow card.

has anyone tested or thought about adding wrenn and six to the deck somehow? He’s a 2 mana planeswalker that has 3 very relevant abilities for our deck. The damage is just enough to really frustrate...

@adrieng - does that version help any of the matchups? It seems like the deck substituted efficient land searchers like sylvan scrying for a win con that is just as weak to removal as our existing...

Is this a new brew of yours or did it get a top finish somewhere?

Can you give us some more details on what makes it so awesome?

Also, i feel like this deck wants some number of life from the...

This is pretty slow. I think the best case scenario is to crop rotation it into play and add two counters EOT and then pop it next turn. It's not really a land you ever want to draw because it's...

Looking at the top decks in the format our three worst matches are there (they’ve been there for months), miracles, D&T, and ANT. Are we at a point where we need to dedicate more sb slots to these...

Im not sure what lists you are talking about. 90% of the lists posted in the thread are the same except with maybe 12 cards of variance.

If you are referring to Adrien’s list, he’s been a long...

? did something happen?

Safekeepers are ok to forego if you are playing something more grindy. The expectation is that life from the loam will sustain you. With an exploration in play you can combo every turn.

Yes I know...

This is the beauty of dark depths. It is easily adaptable for the expected metagame. He was merely commenting on how the deck played and some of the synergies.



Ive found stifle to be lack...

Crip rotations should probably be used more strategically than as shuffle effects.

I dont see stifle in your list, did you switch to brainstorm?

Also, did you find that brainstorm was worth it? It seems rather weak with limited shuffle effects and as the sole blue card.

not sure what list you are running exactly but many lists have a very delicate balance of lands that can't be messed with too much. We have about 11-12 spots that can't be touched (depths, stage,...

I love deed... but not in this deck. I always expect it to crush against D&T but it doest always work out like that. Their mana denial is a real hinderance. Playing it early means you buy a few...

I haven't played in a while but logically it makes sense with DRS no longer in the format.

Yes we are favored both games. instant speed bojuka is really bad for them. So are surgicals. Hexmage...

I only suggested the inclusion of knight IF you were already sold on running green suns zenith. So if you are running 3x gsz you should have 1-2 knights. The only reason I brouht it up was because...

If this really becomes and issue I see the deck pivoting to a living wish version.


Also, im not sure who was talking about it but if you start considering gsz the next logical though is the...

with or without safekeepers is not going to make your list subpar. Their inclusion changes based on the meta. You need to learn to play with and without them...

With DRS gone the deck can play life from the loam main and not have to worry about 25% of your matches. It results in a slightly slower version overall but better vs the slower matches where you...

I need something I can just copy paste into the primer, I don't want to try and reformat that all.



If there is another list I need to add to the primer please LMK.

This is like the most requested comment but no one has ever messaged me a sb strategy that I could just copy and paste to the primer. We used to have one but it was outdated.

This actually sounds like the force of will was a misplay because a t2 crop rotation is not threatening unless its agains a graveyard based deck for Bojuka bog. However, if depths player was showing...

if this is the case, it might be better to migrate towards a blue version for better protection.

The deck has a strange spread of cards, at least it appears that way. Looking more closely the decks proportions are balanced. I think i counted 8 discard. 1 of which is cabal therapy. I like that...

In addition to all of the downsides you mentioned, I think DNS said it perfectly.



There isn't really a haymaker that living wish grants us access to. It provides convenience and depth to the...