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Well, what would you want to use the mana for? What possibilities would it open up that the deck needs/what weaknesses does it help solve?

You could always cut the DR package down to 3 DR, 2 Flayer. Saves another slot over 2 Spy/1 Flayer

Narcomoeba isn't terrible though. Having a flyer can be crucial when playing vs. anything that can make an EoT Marit Lage :wink:

I wish we could cut the Shambling Shells, but there aren't many...

If you're no longer interested in resolving DR, why still bother with Cabal Therapy..? That frees up some extra slot for I-dunno-what. Maybe dump Street Wraith back in? Or round all 3's back up to 4....

Agreed

Basically, w/ TotP you don't need any more DRs to burn down your opponent that turn where you would w/ Flayer. Although that could be up for debate with the addition of 4 Creeping Chill and 8 3 power...

Swapping out a Phantasmagorian for an extra Shambling Shell is a change I can get behind. Good idea!

Speaking of Terror of the Peaks...
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I'd shave like a dredger or a DR in order to run a Thassa's Oracle/Flayer of the Hatebound. Adding that "I win"-button costs you literally just 1 slot, which simply must be worth it. And by doing so...

And you were right about that. You clarified it well :smile:

I get your point but don't necessarily agree with it

I just prefer "I win this turn" (Flayer) over "I probably win in a few turns" (Ashen Rider). I think the extra hoops you have to jump through are worth it.

@Mr. Safety You dredge into Spy often...

Why DR Bazaar Trademage when you have access to Balustrade Spy, Griselbrand or Whirlpool Rider/Drake? Those basically say "flip my library" rather than "Time Walk twice".

Oracle is a fine wincon....

@idc1993: Congrats on the result! I run the exact same 60!

You do you boo

Good if you can fit them in. Flip library, drain 12 is pretty nifty.

That goes both ways bud :wink:

And I don't mind running one in a deck with Hogaak.

3/1 is fine, and one black creature more or less for Ichorid hardly matters. Giant is better in a vacuum, Flayer is more robust

A couple of Dread Returns, Flayer of the Hatebound and Golgari Grave-Troll

I've had people Surgical my dredger. It's not a smart play, but it is a thing some people do. There's a difference between what people shouldn't do and what they actually do do.

FWIW my Shamblings...

@cebollinos You might want to join the Dredge discord :wink:

Nope, b/c it's only situationally good

So I ran the CT-less list today. Definetely had some games where Chill not being Therapy cost me the game. For now I'm afraid I'm reverting to my CT safety blanket.

I think I'm gonna try Chills over Therapies... Hogaak should work fine as counter bait

No Cabal Therapy? :eek: