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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Do any of you guys actually run some statistics on how many green cards your actually want to have a decent chance for having & being able to cast it?
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Sound reasoning! Do you have any results with it?

    The discard part relies on them indeed letting you go first - but it's a nice mindgame. Leyline of Sanctity is beautiful and is imho worth the 1...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Sorry to hear you lost your post - I do think a lot of important context is wasted here though. Having a 1/1 on the board is mostly worse than having a 3/3 on the board, but that's not what's a...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Personally I much prefer the Chancellor. If you're facing decks with turn 1 discard, it mostly means the difference between standing a chance and an auto-loss. Not having that chancellor mostly means...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I like reinventing/rediscovering the wheel :-D. Yes, that's nice. Though recurring a chancellor isn't the most interesting thing you can do it's a possibility
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Maybe I'm missing it: what's so special about the list in your eyes?
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Is Creeping Chill really all that good? To me it feels like filler that I'd rather have as blue (FoW) and do something in my hand (Sphinx of Foresight). I haven't really felt that Chill pushed me...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I did, thanks. I don't get clear why it'd be better than nether shadow (it only starts coming back after you've found enablers (like nether shadow)), nor why it'd be a lot better than bridge. Given...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Hi guys, I haven't been around for a while. Not a lot of innovative things seem to be going on (no offense! Rather says something about the card quality and how rigid the deck is), though I was...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I'd say run neither. Every slot counts in this deck since you're racing through it so quickly - that's its power. Never once in a year of playing it have I had trouble with decking myself (I had...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Don't run LEDs, they're only useful in your first 7. Hihgly limited. For a blue list (but by no means "stock"), you can see mine. You can change stuff in the sideboard (and anywhere, honestly :D),...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    After a loong hiatus I played a tourney again... 5 rounds, and T8 here in Mexico City. It was the last edition of the year's league so it was pretty packed.


    4 Bridge from Below
    4 Cabal Therapy...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Read the thread and you'll find answers.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Interesting idea.. though what usually happens with me is this: Trinisphere (neutralizing counters), and then everything else. Faerie Macabre really shines here though.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I'm just a bit confused. It seems like we went from an enabler pur sang (dread return into dredge 3+) to a potential enabler (dredge 1, then the opponent can respond, already need to have another sac...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Haha I feel exactly like that, sideboarding being "an art". But there's got to be rationale behind it. So try to think what your reasoning was, then going by that reasoning let's see if it makes...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Interesting, you're writing: MB Zealot, but at the same time you're writing: doesn't win on the same turn.

    It can win with quite some tokens + recurred Zealot, or with Flayer, I suppose.

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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Sorry, but Avaricious Dragon seems pretty horrible. When you're at the point that you can resolve a Dread Return, it should be a game finisher on the spot, or worst case scenario, in the next turn....
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Hehe, it's very, very metagame dependent. If a lot of people are (still) packing Leyline of the Voids, just don't play it.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Blue version is definitely a bit less mindless. Drawing 4 with Whirlpool Rider because of a Phantasmagorian activation definitely needs to have you thinking. Worst case scenario, you'd have to cabal...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    You can easily run Probes and Chancellors in the blue version.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    What I would like to know, is whether the spy version is really that much quicker than the blue version.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    What, whole reliance? You can just beat with Ichorids, Narcos, use dread return on e.g. Troll/Flayer/Chancellor without bridges...
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    Congrats :-) I wish there were legacy tourneys as often around here.
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    Re: [Primer] +Manaless Dredge+

    I see your point, I said besides though :-). I just find it clunky, but I'd love to hear results :-)
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