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"Rarely eat removal because they're not good enough to get removed" and "good sac target for innocent blood" aren't really strong arguments for the inclusion of a creature. I can't imagine what your...

You're already favoured in the tribal matchups with the stock list. Nimble mongoose is the defining threat of this archetype. Cutting it for lavamancers will make good matchups better and even...

The comparison between the two decks is plain to see, however the decks play out quite differently from one another. New Horizons absolutely plays superior threats, but thresh gets the benefit of...

This deck's gameplan in most matchups, even when it is counterintuitive to do so, is usually to apply early pressure while using disruption to delay the opponent's gameplan long enough to end the...

The number of top8 finishes isn't really relevant, because very few people are actually playing the deck compared to other archetypes.

The deck is just fine, though it's not as potent as it...

@Tangle.Wire:

I'm guessing some of those games where you were not quite able to finish your opponent off through his threat might have ended sooner and in your favour if you had more aggressively...

I'm curious about why you would seek first to cut ponder or spell snare instead of utilizing one of the established flex slots. What are you running there currently?

It's pretty bold to claim that...

Next Level Threshold is a completely different deck. The centrepiece of Canadian Thresh is Nimble Mongoose, and its abscence in NLT is evidence of a strategic disparity between the two decks. NLT is...

The classic example of this is Standstill, though there are plenty of examples that have been around forever such as Winter Orb and Ghazban Ogre.

Submerge is for the zoo matchup!

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

OK, the way I see it our dillemma is two-fold. We have these 3-mana bounce spells that can be clutch at times, but often get pitched to Force of Will early on in the game (fortunately they're blue!)....

You definitely don't want play attrition with Loam. You need to tempo them to death or you'll get overwhelmed. Your gameplan is similar to that which you'd employ against a control deck with a...

Cenarius,

I'm a little confused as to why you take it for granted that the deck needs a "finisher" at all. Tarmogoyf and friends normally do a pretty good job by themselves from my experiences....

Ice is a 4 damage cantrip burn spell when you're stuck in a goyf-off, and the ability to split Fire's damage is relevant frequently enough.

Maggical, I think you'd probably find more help for that particular decklist in a different thread, as what you have there is an entirely different archetype. The core of this deck's strategy is...

I really like submerge, but lately I've been leaning toward cutting one, as in some matchups I only felt like sideboarding 3 anyway. 4 Spell pierce and some amount of REB is amazing. I can't decide...

I've already pre-emptively acknowledged every single counter-argument you provided in your post. I'm not going to provide quotes from my responses, as you can find them yourself in the last two...

Cenarius, the following is my opinion, on a theoretical basis, of why I don't like Dark Confidant in a tempo deck. You may disagree, but I feel that at this point it is a matter of playstyle and...

I'm sure it's already been mentioned multiple times, but the fact that there are multiple Legacy GP's as well as the new SCG 5K Legacy tournament series is really increasing the popularity of this...

Misdirection basically says "change the target of a spell with a single target, or counter target counterspell."

My comments that you quoted may have been a bit reductive, but I think only a bit.
The two decks are quite different and the participants in the argument were arguing from the perspectives that...

If you want to see Ugb thresh as simply an altered Tempo Thresh list- which I think is a poor way to view it based on the different approaches the two decks take- then my question becomes the...

Cenarius, there are some major flaws with your arguments, the most glaring of which being that you're talking about a different deck!

First of all, we don't only play 8 creatures; we play 8...

Harness seems much more of a High Risk, High Reward card to me than Submerge, which doesn't suit my style of play at all. I don't need to blow my opponent out; I just need something that I can...