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  1. Thread: [Deck] bUrg Tempo

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    Re: [Deck] bUrg Tempo

    Well, Spell Pierce is just as situational as Spell Snare is. What card you play or if you play a split depends on the cards you face more often. Also Spell Snare is a hardcounter at every stage of...
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    You gotta be carefull here though. BUG, RUG and Uwr Tempo are entire diffrent decks when it comes to creating tempo plays. Simple because one of them doesnt play Stifle doesnt tell a lot about the...
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    I dont want to be mean or anything. Maybe I just cant express myself well enough(my english isnt the best ether). But if you only play like the 2 Sitlfes for protecting your manabase is it really...
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    That is naive view. You build your whole deck around Stifle( or should at least) if you play it. So playing less than 4 copies is just inaccurate. If you play it then play 4.
    Also there is no reson...
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    A lot of people seem to not understand that simple concept though but once you get it most things should explain themself.



    Couldnt agree more. Great disscusion.
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    You just explain what the decks do but nothing about the advantages NLT should have.



    I think that is a very corner case example. Shaman should not be attacking in the first few turns anyway to...
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    I think we are overreacting here a bit. I mean we only fetch Taiga if we need to( which is only about every 8+ match in my experience). And if we really fear to get destroyed by wasteland after, we...
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    The debate about cutting Taiga is really coming up every now and then but it is a important question. To me it is just a question of chances. How often will you lose a game because you had no...
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    The time i can play magic (which is not a lot at the moment) I test this list right now:

    3 Tarmogoyf
    3 Deathrite Shaman
    4 Delver of Secrets
    1 Vendilion Clique
    1 Grim Lavamancer
    1 Sylvan...
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    Great report and performance. But i really dont like that you cut Stifle. It is one of the reasons why we can play 4 colours to begin with.
    That is why i dont think the above deck should be playing...
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    I said that drs was necessary and that it was the reason burg tempo was not successful. I explained why it wasn't a good tempo card. You say it's a good tempo card because you can deal 2 damages in...
  12. Thread: [Deck] bUrg Tempo

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    The manabase for sure is a problem. Sure you have Daze, Deathrite Shaman and Stifle to protect it, but it is still worse than the manabase of RUG or BUG. But the benefits to be able to play Bolt,...
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    Not consistently, but often enough before Turn 4-5 which is enough window for me to ether produce enough pressure so he has to play stuff to survive or i find a Force for it. Remember that we still...
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    the difference between Delver and DRS is that your Opponent has to kill it immediately. If you can untap with it, the DRS has done his job in most cases. The Delver can live 2-3 Turns because he only...
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    I think I have enough solutions for goyf after boarding. Against Goyfdecks i board 2 Spell Snare and 1 Abrupt Decay in along with the one maindeck Decay and the Dismember. Also if you play Goyf on...
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    For me there is no Tempo list without Delver. He puts up the fastest pressure, costs only 1 mana, gives a blue Card for Force of Will in Combo MUs and having Flying is very relevant. I also dont...
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    That is all true but if you force you have only a 7! turn clock even if delver flips instantly and you have no gas left. If you had another blue card for Force i would force the manadork pretty much...
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    Nevermind then. For some reson i thought the hand had another blue card. Then i wouldnt force ether. Most likely waste bayou, drop the second delver and ponder next turn.
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    I agree with Tormods plan. Putting a potential Turn 4 clock on the board on the play and with a Ponder to search for cards to delay your opponents play seems about the best that hand can produce....
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    Re: [Deck] bUrg

    They fix your mana but you cant fetch them(cantrips, protect against Wasteland,...), you cant return them for daze, they dont fill the graveyard for Goose, Goyf and Shaman and the drawbacks for the...
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    It is basicly Uwr Delver with Stifles + Deathrite Shaman. Splashing 2! colors just for that seems pretty poor. Having a 5 color manabase with 4 wastelands and the manaelf in the splashcolors should...
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    I think Lemnear pretty much said all about why Pyromancer is worse in almost any MU. Getting 1 or 2 tokens before Pyromancer dies isnt a big enough upside for the lot of downsides( like a horrible...
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    Its LSV. He can win with a potatoe.
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    Re: [Deck] bUrg

    Slightly changed my list( -1 Fetch + Sylvan Library) above. The list still is a bust! If you really really want to play 4 Goose then cut the Library for it. But Zenith stays for me for sure. Having...
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    Re: [Deck] bUrg Tempo

    I got bored yesterday and didnt want to play Miracles or Esper Blade so i just threw together a new burg list:

    2 Nimble Mongoose
    3 Tarmogoyf
    3 Deathrite Shaman
    4 Delver of Secrets
    1 Green...
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