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Personally I find Deathmark(s) pretty thin when you've already got bounce and Grape Shot, there's a lot of redundancy in that SB IMO.

I'd rather have more tactical options with BWish at varying CCs than SB removal cards I may never bring in

You don't want to replace Diminishing Returns with Recurring Insight, you want to supplement it - having the 4cc Storm engine that you can either cast with LED or wish for and cast on the next turn...

Wait, wait, wait, is that seriously a Draw 7 with Rebound that doesn't re-draw for the opponent at 6 mana? That has to be the only card in this set that doesn't suck and they give it to Storm, LMFAO,...

I board out Simian Spirit Guides for Carpet of Flowers and Orim's Chant for Vexing Shusher in a straight 8 card for 8 card swap on the draw, Carpet of Flowers usually generates at least 2 mana when...

Of course Xantid Swarm and Vexing Shusher serve different roles, what does that have to do with it? Vexing Shusher is no more vulnerable to Swords to Plowshares than Vexing Shusher is, and personally...

Carpet of Flowers did change the mana situation, that's my point; neither card relies on the other to fight against hate, they just happen to fight against hate extremely well together.

Carpet of Flowers is a recurring ritual and Vexing Shusher is uncounterable disruption, it's not a two card combo it's synergy between two cards that you could run in Storm on their own merit.

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Ok, forget about Empty the Warrens vs Counterbalance, because Carpet of Flowers + Vexing Shusher is the post board nuts vs the Counterbalance match up. You just drop Carpet of Flowers for the +2 mana...

No shit, when you solve the TES vs. Balance/Top match up you let me know, until then we've got to use whatever strategies and meta-shifts we can to our advantage; Zoo creatures have an ass of 3, thus...

That's my point, Firespout is 3cc and replaced both Pyroclasm and Engineered Explosives in a lot of SBs, we can race that on the play now.

Can we stop misconstruing each other's comments? Yes, the 2nd Ad Nauseam increases the odds of opening Ad Nauseam, and no it's not relevant because we're speaking in the context of resolving an Ad...

We're not on the same page, I was talking about SBing in Empty the Warrens and not MDing them; hopefully that'll clear the confusion.

Edit: And flipping 1 Empty the Warrens isn't as bas as...

The difference is the 2nd Ad Nauseam is useless while the 1st Empty the Warrens is a card you can resolve, having 1 to 3 copies in the MD is better than having 1 Ill Gotten Gains and X+ Ad Nauseams...

The number of Empty the Warrens in the deck is more of a benefit than a hindrance to Ad Nauseam in the same way the number of Simian Spirit Guides is, you usually find your 4 damage results in a card...

I tried Carpet of Flowers vs Tinder Wall and the only time Carpet of Flowers was better was for mana fixing Orim's Chant. I think for slow(er) Storm decks like AnT or DDFT it's the best non-Cabal...

The problem with 2cc removal, especially at UU, is that you rarely eliminate the threat and go off on the same turn; that seems especially damning for a bounce spell.

I doubt IT qualifies as essential, past Tendrils of Agony, Empty the Warrens, Ill Gotten Gains and Diminishing Returns, I'd say Grape Shot and then removal cards of choice.

Care to explain, because SSG is the best accelerant I've ran in that slot and Cabal Ritual was the worst, I've also found SSGs are invaluable as 0cc mana sources - I've ran 4x SSG and 3x Chrome Mox...

I did when I was testing Tinder Wall, the problem is that it's never better than a Dark Ritual if your opponent plays his lands judiciously and there's a delay on the acceleration. Against Control,...

If you guys are looking for a non-Xantid Swarm answer to Tempo Thresh, I had some reasonable success with Defense Grid last Sunday. By itself, it's not better than Xantid Swarm or Vexing Shusher, but...

Tried 3 Chant, 2 Swarm and 3 Duress? The odd STP sucks, but at least the Swarm is more consistent and you can Infernal for a 2nd copy. Tho' I can't really see why you'd guys want to MD Swarm, you...

Xantid Swarm is the only thing getting past their 1cc counters, I don't see anything else we can do regardless of removal unless we're loading up on Chant/Silence to duck Spellsnare and Stifle.

A combination of Warrens and Swarms does really, really well vs Tempo-Thresh, Warrens turns the game into Stifle yes/no? GG! Firespout was the best thing to happen to TES in awhile, because it pushed...

You're doing it wrong, DDAY sucks in TES ... believe me, I tried it way before you.