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You're absolutely right, let's unban Mana Vault right now.

Yeah, not trying to beat a dead horse, but I really don't think you're grasping HOW broken Mana Vault would be... allow me one final example:

Elvish Spirit Guide --> Mana Vault --> Mana Vault -->...

I think you're still underestimating Mana Vault's power (may it stay banned forever). :r::r: into :r::r::r: (Rite/Tinder -->Desperate Ritual) versus :r::r: into :r::3: (Rite/Tinder-->Mana Vault),...

Not to sound snippy, but have you even played Belcher before? Mana Vault would replace Street Wraith in a heartbeat. Grim Monolith doesn't make the cut, but Mana Vault . . . holy shit . . . Lotus...

Yeah, not sure how you can have a combination of one card. I'll have a Big Mac combo . . . just a Big Mac. :confused:

Oath will never be unbanned because of the ridiculous creatures being...

I don't know that I'd go so far as "hate for the format", but I am a bit surprised that after the successful unbanning of Entomb, Metalworker and Dream Halls that they didn't go for another round of...

It's not a good idea to compare pre-banned prices to post-banned prices. Look at this example of Entomb. Pre-ban, it was a $5 card. Post-ban, it's over $20. I expect Mana Drain would also rise...

Actually, you said post-M10 you aren't 100% sure, so you never really came down on ban or unban. And again, this statement quoted here also doesn't come down on either side of the debate, but simple...

It's sneaky because you never addressed any true reasons why cards should never be banned or not unbanned for financial reasons. IBA asked quite plainly "why" and your response was for others to...

I think you have too narrow a view of "reprinted". Box sets, dual decks, inserts (time shifted), etc. are other ways in which cards can be reprinted without necessarily becoming Standard/Extended...

I completely agree, and I think decks would probably run 2 if they weren't so expensive. That said, the deck isn't necessary. Decks that run Imperial Recruiter also are unplayable for a vast swath...

I was going by ebay, actually. MOTL is often slow to update based on ebay as well, so you'll probably see this emerge on MOTL in a week or so.

Yeah and as a 1 of in 1 deck I don't even see it on...

Actually, at the moment, a playset of goyfs has surpassed the value of a single Tabernacle.

Kind of doubt it though since Tabernacle is not integral to playing the format.

It's funny, ever since I've been a player I look forward to the b/r announcements hoping for some kind of change, just to keep things new and interesting. Maybe I'm alone in that, but I love when...

Indeed, I remember Wizards saying (in about 2003) no more Merfolk, and now, Legacy Merfolk are all recently created cards with the exception of Lord of Atlantis. Eternal it may be, but Legacy is...

Hehe, I don't think Tolarian Academy and Oath are on the same power level, I really don't, and I think many are overstating Oath's power. It was a great Extended deck, but it didn't dominate the...

Pick away! :laugh: That's what forums are for: civilized discussion/debate.

One thing, I said I would love to see it unbanned, but I didn't say unban it. A slight difference. I think the field...

As a player who has just recently been coming back to Magic after six years away, I can safely say that this format is different and it does change. The problem of boredom for some veteran players...

Sorry, you're quite right, I was unclear. What I meant was that "deck types" being represented in the top 8. So, for example, if the top 8 were all counter-top and then the decks to beat forum...

What do you mean "would make Stax viable"? Stax is already viable. 4th place isn't too shabby considering most of the decks in the "Decks to Beat" forum didn't even place in the top 8.

What you described sounds like a solid card more than a broken card. You know how many games counterspell won me? But does that necessarily mean it's a broken card? A broken card is Ancestral...

That being said, solid and broken are two entirely different things. Brainstorm helps blue stay in the game, searching for answers to aggressive decks, but that is not to say that Brainstorm shifts...