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To revisit old ghosts from the past - Show & Tell Griselbrand won both latest Magic Online MOCS (350+ people), and Gencon Legacy Champs.

I understand that topic went into other direction, but this...

Well what is wrong with first statement? Griselbrand single-handedly warped and changed the meta and pushed some decks on the fringes of playability. Last time something like this happened was when...

All the above mentioned answers aren't reliable enough to have them as "absolute answer". You need a specific scenario for them to work - aka Griselbrand player being on low life (Maverick case), or...

You're completely right. My arguments are not valid, while your polite vocabulary is obviously doing overtime work :laugh:

edit. please do try to read with a bit more comprehension

You have provided us the answer why it's a non issue in a small PTQ local metagame (or even in a bigger event) like that which Hopo mentioned quite a few times as an argument.

Griselbrand is not...

Where to start?
First of all, Bargain isn't easier to cast/put into play than Griselbrand. Reanimate effects and Show and Tell (same speed) are direct proof of that.
Other thing is that Griselbrand...

For example - Aggro Loam which was putting good results before Griselbrand decks. There are other examples of course.

Same thing could be said for Griselbrand right now, and yet that shit is still legal...




This was true only when Vengevine got printed.



No, Vengevine was direct culprit.

Yeah, it was painful to watch. Anyway, he could have played S&T quite easily thanks to Blood Moon shutting down Karakas... if only he had fetched a basic Island and went for Blood Moon a turn later.

Sneak Attack decks didn't top 8 because not many players were playing it (as stated in coverage), and due to some of them beating themselves by awful plays. Prime example was one of the matches in...

Because too little time passed to ban card that was just released? Because no big GP was held yet with Griselbrand legal?

Main problem with Griselbrand is that it pushes non blue decks out of the...

Gutted about it :mad:

And the Wizards response of "The top tournament decks in Legacy include Reanimator, RUG Delver, and Sneak and Show" is just dumb. It should rather say:

"The top tournament...

You're addressing part of my post where I was discussing reanimator (with Griselbrand) vs Maverick matchup. Of course that Reanimator wasn't playing Progenitus, and STP had quite a fighting chance...

Your arguments are quite amusing. I must admit that I never thought that Stifle can handle a 7/7 flying lifelinking monster.
Yeah, it can "deal" 7dmg in right scenario, but what prevents the...

It was an argument on the same level that Hopo presented his opinion at first.
My original points were argumented by specific scenarios and matches while response to that was thin air scenarios. ...

Really? How awesome, please do share more.
On a more serious note, did you film the match so that we can watch it? I'm asking because my examples were recorded and can be watched online right now....

Not sure if people were watching the SCG Invitational, but there were quite a few matches that underlined the problem quite clearly.

I think in the last round of swiss (or the round before last...

Well, having tested extensively Sneak Attack deck in the last few days... I can concur that the main problem currently is Grislebrand. As stated few times before - Yawgmoths Bargain is banned for a...

Hear hear, and gimme back my favorite pet decks like Survival and Flash! :rolleyes:

So the solution to the problem is to play one deck (maybe mirroring current T2 metagame?) OR board something like needle... because show and tell doesn't have bounce or other win conditions?
Gotcha....

With all due respect... but the main problem here is Griselbrand.
Yawgmoth's Bargain is banned in this format, for a reason. Now we have updated Bargain that hits for 7, has evasion and lifelink? ...

As per latest big tournament results... seems like B/R is fine and no bans are needed.

Maybe it would be good for those that are amongst the frontrunners for random banning to actually stop next...

To be honest, I think that most of the people here are mocking the idea of banning something in Maverick and were using sarcasm.

Anyway, my message to the "Ban one card each month" crew - start...

Banning Stoneforge Mystic would be ridiculous though. It won't hurt Maverick since people are already dropping it in favor of playing more Umezawa's Jitte (instead of a slow squire) for the mirror....

Time to ban Mother of Runes :laugh:

hehe, on a more serious note - will be interesting to see what card in Maverick ends up being on the "Ban crowd" radar.